If Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin don’t like the pope, they won’t care much for Jesus (He's serious)

The Washington Post's On Faith ^ | November 28, 2013 | Reza Aslan

[2ndDivisionVet]

Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin are starting to sour on the new pope.

In response to Pope Francis’ first Apostolic Exhortation, in which the pontiff denounced “trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” these two paragons of the far right – both of whom regularly invoke the teachings of Jesus to bolster their own political views – have suddenly turned their backs on the man whose actual job description is to speak for Jesus.

Sarah Palin complained that Pope Francis sounded “kind of liberal” in his statements decrying the growing global income equality between the rich and the poor (she has since apologized).

Rush Limbaugh went one step further. “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope,” he harrumphed into his giant microphone.

Limbaugh, in his trademarked conspiratorial style, speculated that the pope’s tirade against “widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion” must have been forced upon him by somebody else. “Somebody has either written this for [the pope] or gotten to him,” he said.

Limbaugh is right. Somebody did get to Pope Francis. It was Jesus....

[ex-snook]

Aside from Thacher’s Good Samaritan of the past and today. The Pope said ‘trickle down’ wasn’t working. There are lot of posts Pope bashing but none have demonstrated the success of trickle down as the reducer of the poor.

It boils down to who is the closest to the views of Jesus - Pope Francis or Rush Limbaugh.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

[21] ...For from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succsession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy (or kingdom of darkness) may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies (that is, to the old wives' fables in England, concerning ghosts and spirits and the feats they play in the night). And if a man consider the original of this ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the Papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman empire sitting crowned upon the grave thereof. For so did the Papacy start out of the ruins of that heathen power.

[22] The language also which they use (both in the churches and in theirpublic acts) being Latin, which is not commonly used by any nationnow in the world, what is it but the ghost of the old Roman language?

[23] The fairies, in what nation soever they converse, have but one universal king, which some poets of ours call King Oberon; but the Scripture calls Beelzebub, prince of demons. The ecclesiastics likewise, in whose dominions soever they be found, acknowledge but one universal king, the Pope.

Part III. Of a Christian Commonwealth.
Chap. xxxviii. Of Eternal Life, Hell, Salvation, and Redemption.

[12] And first, for the tormentors, we have their nature and properties exactly and properly delivered by the names of the Enemy (or Satan), the Accuser (or Diabolus), the Destroyer (or Abaddon). Which significant names (Satan, Devil, Abaddon) set not forth to us any individual person, as proper names do, but only an office or quality, and are therefore appellatives, which ought not to have been left untranslated (as they are in the Latin and modern Bibles), because thereby they seem to be the proper names of demons, and men are the more easily seduced to believe the doctrine of devils, which at that time was the religion of the Gentiles, and contrary to that of Moses, and of Christ.

[13] And because by the Enemy, the Accuser, and Destroyer, is meant the enemy of them that shall be in the kingdom of God, therefore if the kingdom of God after the resurrection be upon the earth (as in the former Chapter I have shewn by Scripture it seems to be), the Enemy and his kingdom must be on earth also. For so also was it in the time before the Jews had deposed God. For God's kingdom was in Palestine, and the nations round about were the kingdoms of the Enemy; and consequently, by Satan is meant any earthly enemy of the Church.

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness
Chap. xlvii. Of the Benefit that proceedeth from such Darkness

Besides these sovereign powers, divine and human, of which I have hitherto discoursed, there is mention in Scripture of another power, namely, that of "the rulers of the darkness of this world," [Ephesians, 6. 12] "the kingdom of Satan," [Matthew, 12. 26] and "the principality of Beelzebub over demons," [Ibid., 9. 34] that is to say, over phantasms that appear in the air: for which cause Satan is also called "the prince of the power of the air";[Ephesians, 2. 2] and, because he ruleth in the darkness of this world, "the prince of this world":[John, 16. 11] and in consequence hereunto, they who are under his dominion, in opposition to the faithful, who are the "children of the light," are called the "children of darkness." For seeing Beelzebub is prince of phantasms, inhabitants of his dominion of air and darkness, the children of darkness, and these demons, phantasms, or spirits of illusion, signify allegorically the same thing. This considered, the kingdom of darkness, as it is set forth in these and other places of the Scripture, is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light, both of nature and of the gospel; and so to disprepare them for the kingdom of God to come.

Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

none have demonstrated the success of trickle down as the reducer of the poor.

Humbug.

In America, the “poor” have obesity problems. And, often, air conditioning and multiple cars.

The left’s vaunted “lowest income quintile” is loaded with young people just starting out, and on their way up.

Government action certainly can reduce income inequality - but predominantly by subverting the middle class, reducing its members to the poverty which they have labored to avoid. The rich, in case the pope hasn’t noticed, are mostly limousine liberals for whom socialism is a form of conspicuous - i.e., hypocritical - consumption which the middle class cannot afford.

[usconservative]

– have suddenly turned their backs on the man whose actual job description is to speak for Jesus.

Really? The pope is no more a man than you or I. He speaks for Jesus? Really? It's the pope's job description?

Does Jesus know that?

[GeronL]

The Bible are the only words we have from Jesus, he doesn’t need the Pope for that

[usconservative]

Right on!

[NKP_Vet]

The apostles left their homes and families to follow Jesus.

[NKP_Vet]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3096616/posts

[goat granny]

Can't tell you chapter and verse but Didn't the followers go to Peters home as I remember his wife being mentioned..Could be wrong on that but it seems to be a jog in my memory. I guess I'll have to do some research on that, its been a while...but from your answer, you seem to be saying they never visited home, wife, children. It would seem your saying they left their families destitute. Definitely against Jewish law and the apostles were instruction to only go to the Jews of the day. Paul was used by God as an instrument to take the gosple to the gentiles...If his apostles did not take care of their families also, the Jews of the day in the temple would surely point this out as being against Gods laws to care for their families. And they all went to temple, thats were they taught.

[Syncro]

Go tell it to the Catholic bishop, St. Augustine, who was working out the doctrines of grace 1500 years before you were born.

Gee, that's pretty much a personal attack, isn't that prohibited in the Religion Forum?

If you wish to know the "doctrine" of grace, go back 2000 years and you will see that Jesus covered that just fine.

It's in the Bible.

Christians knew it just fine back then as they do so today also.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

No, but he damn sure said if you have money give it away and follow Him! How many people follow that advice?

No, He didn't.

He told one person to do so. There were a number of people who followed Jesus who by the standards of the time were really rich and He did not say one word to them about giving all their money away to follow Him.

[Syncro]

Pope Francis,

"the man whose actual job description is to speak for Jesus."

Only for the Catholic denomination, other Christians "hear" the voice of Jesus and don't need anyone designated to "speak for Jesus."

And that's not all this author got wrong...Good for Palin and Limbaugh!

[2ndDivisionVet]

When the Left pontificates on a subject they know little about, even one like this individual who is supposed to be an expert, they skim the surface for stereotypes, myths and misunderstood doctrine.

[Ole Okie]

If I might return to Pope Benedict XVI, I did very much enjoy his spontaneous remark, when asked by the crowd upon being elected Pope to instantly declare John Paul II a saint, “Are we not all saints?” Very Baptist of him.

I would say rather it was very Biblical of him. Perhaps specifically I might say it was very Pauline of him.

[Ole Okie]

If I might return to Pope Benedict XVI, I did very much enjoy his spontaneous remark, when asked by the crowd upon being elected Pope to instantly declare John Paul II a saint, “Are we not all saints?” Very Baptist of him.

I would say rather it was very Biblical of him.

[ebb tide]

What does your link have to do with Jews not needing conversion or about the muslims and their Koran not calling for violence? Like I said, he babbles. Unfortunately, this time he chooses to do so in an apostolic exhortation which is complete garbage.

[NKP_Vet]

The original 12 followed Jesus and left everything behind, including their family and their possessions.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Did He ask them to give all their stuff away?

Did He say it was a condition?

No.

And they took both family and possessions with them we know because they are mentioned at various times in the record.

[NKP_Vet]

Show me where Peter took his wife and family with him when he took off to evangelize the world. I must have missed that part of scripture.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

I Peter 5:13

She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.