[boatbums]

It's not up to us to determine what is in another's heart. Only God sees the heart, we can look at the outward appearance and see the "fruit" that is born in their lives and Jesus said that is how we could know false teachers from genuine ones. Even then, some do a very good job of faking it and appearing to be good Christians. Our duty is to judge ourselves to see if WE are in the faith and do what we can to be examples to the weaker brethren.

As far as being drunk and what that means for any alcohol consumption, we are told to not be drunken, or controlled by wine or any other thing that would prevent the Holy Spirit from filling us and being in control of our lives - in EVERY area.

[Elsie]

SELF control seems to be mentioned a LOT in Scripture, without DETAILING just WHAT it is that needs to be controlled.