[redleghunter]

Did he forget that the Church existed before the Bible was compiled?

Not completely accurate. Before Peter's confession in Matthew 16, we had all the scriptures needed to know Jesus.

Evidenced here in Luke 24:

25 And He said to them, “O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

And here in the same chapter 24 of Luke:

44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

[editor-surveyor]

>> And here in the same chapter 24 of Luke:

44 Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” <<

How many posting here hold a firm grasp on the fact that what Yeshua called “scripture” is not exactly the same as what we generally call scripture today?

The full plan was laid out in Moses' time, and nothing has been added since. Fulfillment of the plan of salvation is our present day advantage, and little is being done with that, that couldn't have been done before.

The power of the scriptures has largely been abandoned by the church today.

[Elsie]

Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Anyone have a LIST of these?

[NKP_Vet]

Once again, the Bible came after the Church, not before. Is there anything that a protestant will twist around to attempt to make something conform to what they think is right. I don’t think so.

[boatbums]

Our Friend, NKP_vet, is using word games. Notice the "Bible was compiled" part. This is the presumption that Catholics use to assert the "official" recognition of a canon was when the "Bible" first came into being. We know, however, that the first "books" that make up the "Bible" existed before Christ was born on earth - way before there was a "church". The books that comprise the newer section of the Bible all came into existence before the first century elapsed. Additionally, the "Church" being referred to is his Roman Catholic Church, and history tells us that it, in its present form at least, didn't really start until 3 or 4 centuries after the last book was written. It's unfortunate that we have to do this every time, but a carefully parsing of each word they use makes it easier to effectively rebut whatever they may say that is "off".