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Is the Eucharist Truly Jesus' Body and Blood?
Catholic Answers ^ | June 30, 2013 | Tim Staples

Posted on 11/18/2013 3:07:47 PM PST by NYer

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To: Heart-Rest

Perhaps reading all the epistles and entire NT is in order with the vigor Rome reads a similtude in John 6 and then tries to peddle transubstantiation even after Paul in three places calls bread, bread and cup, cup. A lot more “splain’in” to do there.

Again I point to Corinthians getting drunk and partying and then partaking.


481 posted on 11/24/2013 6:03:36 PM PST by redleghunter
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"Perhaps reading all the epistles and entire NT is in order with the vigor Rome reads a similtude in John 6 and then tries to peddle transubstantiation even after Paul in three places calls bread, bread and cup, cup. A lot more “splain’in” to do there. Again I point to Corinthians getting drunk and partying and then partaking."

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Well, redleghunter, I believe you are laboring under the mistaken notion that no Catholics know their Bible very well (except for the Sixth Chapter of John).

I'm going to share a few book recommendations with you on this topic, written by some well-known Catholic Bible scholars who know their Bibles very well (many of whom also possess a good working knowledge of the original Biblical languages).

I hope you read some of these books, and that they are quite profitable for you.

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"The Lamb's Supper: The Mass as Heaven on Earth" by Scott Hahn
"Consuming the Word: The New Testament and The Eucharist in the Early Church" by Scott Hahn
"Letter and Spirit: From Written Text to Living Word in the Liturgy" by Scott Hahn
"The Eucharist: A Bible Study Guide for Catholics" by Mitch Pacwa
"Eucharist (Catholic Spirituality for Adults)" by Robert Barron
"This Is My Body: An Evangelical Discovers The Real Presence" by Mark P. Shea
"With Us Today" by John A. Hardon
"Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper" by Brant Pitre
"The Hidden Manna: A Theology of the Eucharist" by Rev. James T. O'Connor
"God Is Near Us: The Eucharist, the Heart of Life" by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger"
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I'd also suggest you look on amazon.com at the series of volumes that make up "The Navarre Bible", each of which includes outstanding Catholic Biblical commentary that goes just a bit beyond "John 6", and look as well at the series of volumes that make up the "Ignatius Catholic Study Bible", with outstanding Biblical commentary by Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch.   

Some other Catholic Biblical commentary books you might also want to consider getting include: "St. John's Gospel: A Bible Study Guide and Commentary" by Stephen K. Ray, "Mission of the Messiah: On the Gospel of Luke (Kingdom Studies)" by Tim Gray, "The Gospel of Mark (Catholic Commentary on Sacred Scripture)" by Mary Healy, "Mystery of the Kingdom (Kingdom Studies - The Gospel of Matthew)" by Edward P. Sri, "Walking With God: A Journey through the Bible" by Tim Gray and Jeff Cavins, and "Where We Got the Bible... Our Debt to the Catholic Church" by Henry G. Graham, (for starters).

(I know this whole FR thread here is getting "old and weary and long in the tooth", and should probably be put out to pasture, or given a decent burial, but before I completely leave this thread behind, I really wanted to respond to your one post there, with that serious misunderstanding of the "Catholic approach to Bible study" reflected in it.)

483 posted on 11/25/2013 9:19:52 PM PST by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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To: Heart-Rest
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

484 posted on 11/25/2013 9:21:28 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Heart-Rest

Both of your posts were great. I don’t know why one got deleted because you were discussing the issues posted, not the person.


485 posted on 11/25/2013 9:28:43 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Heart-Rest

Did Moses by the Power of God actually part the Red Sea?

I know an odd question, but the NAB commentary used and instruction given in Catholic HS and Jesuit University said no. That it was actually a sea of reeds where Pharoah and his chariots got stuck in the mud. I was shocked to find out through Roman Catholic instruction also that the 10 plagues all had “natural” occurrence explanations. To top it off...The instruction also included trying to explain some of Jesus miracles as natural occurrences.

So why would I waste time on books from the same Church that tried to explain away God’s miracles and Power? Am I now to believe the only real miracle recognized by Rome is transubstantiation, Lourdes and others, but we are to remain skeptical of OT and even miracles of Jesus Christ?


486 posted on 11/25/2013 10:47:51 PM PST by redleghunter
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Am I now to believe the only real miracle recognized by Rome is transubstantiation...

No; you ALSO better believe that Mary is alive in Heaven, going thru Jesus' mail to see which matters are more pressing for Him to attend to.

487 posted on 11/26/2013 4:25:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter; Heart-Rest
....why would I waste time on books from the same Church that tried to explain away God’s miracles and Power? Am I now to believe the only real miracle recognized by Rome is transubstantiation, Lourdes and others, but we are to remain skeptical of OT and even miracles of Jesus Christ?

Good point!

488 posted on 11/27/2013 9:11:16 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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