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What drove English and American anti-Catholicism? A fear that it threatened freedom
Catholic Herald ^ | November 12, 2013 | DANIEL HANNAN

Posted on 11/12/2013 3:47:47 PM PST by NYer

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

Foreign visitors are often bewildered, and occasionally disgusted, by the spectacle of Guy Fawkes Night. The English are not a notably religious people, yet here they are wallowing in what looks like a macabre orgy of anti-Catholicism.

In fact, of course, the event has transcended its sectarian origins. To the extent that participants are aware of any historical resonance at all, they believe they are celebrating parliamentary democracy – which needs protecting, these days, from the Treaty of Rome, not the Bishop of Rome. Fifth of November bonfires serve as a neat symbol for what has happened across the English-speaking world. A political culture that was once thought to be inseparable from Protestantism has transcended whatever denominationalties it had.

Guy Fawkes Night used to be popular in North America, especially in Massachusetts. We have excised that fact from our collective memory, as we have more generally the bellicose anti-Catholicism that powered the American Revolution. We tell ourselves that the argument was about “No taxation without representation” and, for some, it was. But while constitutional questions obsessed the pamphleteering classes whose words we read today, the masses were more exercised by the perceived threat of superstition and idolatry that had sparked their ancestors’ hegira across the Atlantic in the first place. They were horrified by the government’s decision, in 1774, to recognise the traditional rights of the Catholic Church in Quebec.

To many Nonconformists, it seemed that George III was sending the popish serpent after them into Eden. As the First Continental Congress put it in its resolutions: “The dominion of Canada is to be so extended that by their numbers daily swelling with Catholic emigrants from Europe, and by their devotion to Administration, so friendly to their religion, they might become formidable to us, and on occasion, be fit instruments in the hands of power, to reduce the ancient free Protestant Colonies to the same state of slavery with themselves.”

Puritans and Presbyterians saw Anglicanism, with its stately communions and surplices and altar rails, as more than half allied to Rome. There had been a furious reaction in the 1760s when the Archbishop of Canterbury sought to bring the colonists into the fold. Thomas Secker, who had been born a Dissenter, and had the heavy-handed zeal of a convert, had tried to set up an Anglican missionary church in, of all places, Cambridge, Massachusetts, capital of New England Congregationalism. He sought to strike down the Massachusetts Act, which allowed for Puritan missionary work among the Indians and, most unpopular of all, to create American bishops.

The ministry backed off, but trust was never recovered. As the great historian of religion in America, William Warren Sweet, put it: “Religious strife between the Church of England and the Dissenters furnished the mountain of combustible material for the great conflagration, while the dispute over stamp, tea and other taxes acted merely as the matches of ignition.”

John Adams is remembered today as a humane and decent man – which he was. We forget that he earnestly wondered: “Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?” Thomas Jefferson’s stirring defences of liberty move us even now. Yet he was convinced that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

Americans had, as so often, distilled to greater potency a tendency that was present throughout the English-speaking world: an inchoate but strong conviction that Catholicism threatened freedom. Daniel Defoe talked of “a hundred thousand country fellows prepared to fight to the death against Popery, without knowing whether it be a man or a horse”. Anti-Catholicism was not principally doctrinal: few people were much interested in whether you believed in priestly celibacy or praying for the souls of the dead. Rather, it was geopolitical.

The English-speaking peoples spent the better part of three centuries at war with Spain, France or both. The magisterial historian of the Stuarts, J P Kenyon, likened the atmosphere to that of the Cold War, at its height when he was writing. Just as western Communists, even the most patriotic among them, were seen as potential agents of a foreign power, and just as suspicion fell even upon mainstream socialists, so 17th-century Catholics were feared as fifth columnists, and even those High Church Anglicans whose rites and practices appeared too “Romish” were regarded as untrustworthy. The notion of Protestantism as a national identity, divorced from religious belief, now survives only in parts of Northern Ireland; but it was once common to the Anglosphere.

When telling the story of liberty in the Anglophone world in my new book, I found this much the hardest chapter to write. Being of Ulster Catholic extraction on one side and Scottish Presbyterian on the other, I am more alert to sectarianism than most British people, and I’ve always loathed it. But it is impossible to record the rise of the English-speaking peoples without understanding their world view. Notions of providence and destiny, of contracts and covenants, of being a chosen people, were central to the self-definition of English-speakers – especially those who settled across the oceans. Protestantism, in their minds, formed an alloy with freedom and property that could not be melted down into its component elements.

And here’s the almost miraculous thing: they ended up creating a uniquely individualist culture that endured when religious practice waned. Adams and Jefferson led the first state in the world based on true religious freedom (as opposed to toleration). From a spasm of sectarianism came, paradoxically, pluralism. And, once it had come, it held on. “I never met an English Catholic who did not value, as much as any Protestant, the free institutions of his country,” wrote an astonished Tocqueville.

Best of all, Anglosphere values proved transportable: they are why Bermuda is not Haiti, why Singapore is not Indonesia and why Hong Kong is not China. There’s a thought to cheer us, whatever our denomination, all as the orange sparks rise from the bonfires each year.



TOPICS: Catholic; History; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
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To: smvoice
WE KNOW. HE KNOWS. That's all we need to sustain us through this battle. Amen.

But they will admit that they don't know and claim no one can know (because they don't know), but yet they say they are the one, true religion...

161 posted on 11/13/2013 7:30:27 PM PST by Iscool
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To: SeeSharp

Those who pose the question need to grasp Church History.

The answer is probably most easily traced to the advancement of different Christian denominations over the globe over time.

Same reason we refer to “Latin” America instead of the English or German or French “Colonies”.

The “Plantations” were due to Dutch Reformed plantations of their faith abroad.

The British Empire “Colonized” the New World and with it brought the Church of England (Anglicans).

The Spanish brought the Romanized Catholic Church.

Deists were rather late comers to the game and appealed more to Rationalism than to faith through Christ.

Same difference in Colonists, Settlers, Plantations, Pioneers, and Missionaries, not to mention Shakers, Quakers, and a litany of other belief systems.


162 posted on 11/13/2013 7:31:14 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Coleus

Black ruled as he did because progressive Democrats such as Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to prevent federal aid to Catholic schools. Catholic colleges were already profiting from the GI Bill, but they wanted to stop the schools from getting federal money.


163 posted on 11/13/2013 8:14:57 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Cvengr

Accidents of history. How different thinsg would have been if the large Spanish colony in the Cape fear area had taken hold. It was a much large effort than that in Jamestown, and if it has survived then the Spanish missions in the Chesapeake arrive would have continued. With a Spanish base in the area, the Raleigh would not have attempted a settlement at Roanoke, and no Virginia settlement in the Chesapeake.


164 posted on 11/13/2013 8:26:40 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: RobbyS

Ditto the earlier Huguenot settlement at Ft. Caroline, wiped out by Spanish who eastablished St. Augustine the following year. The history of Florida would have been quite different.

I’m legendarily a descendant of one of those Spanish missionaries on the Chesapeake, by the way, that being the father of Opechancanough, half brother of Powhatan, who in turn raped an English girl and impregnated her during the Second Powhatan War, 1622 I believe. No way to prove such a thing, so it’ll remain just a legend.


165 posted on 11/13/2013 8:35:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; Bill Russell
Yep, history is fun. For example, the Roman Catholic Church opposed religious freedom right up to Vatican II (the same Vatican II routinely decried by FR traditionalists and closet sedevacantists), even to the point of censoring Catholic commentators advocating religious freedom and forbidding Catholics from reading Protestant Bibles. So it seems Bellarmine’s treatise fell upon deaf ears within his own church. What’s that old saying about a prophet and his own country?

Thanks for stating this. That Bellarmine was a Roman Catholic and wrote about the ideas he had concerning a just government, and Thomas Jefferson possibly using some of these ideas as inspiration for the founding documents he helped create, does not necessarily make those documents "uniquely Catholic".

166 posted on 11/13/2013 8:51:41 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

The history of the settlements along the east coast cannot be separated from the struggles going on after the death of HenrI ii of France in a tournament and the death of Mary I of England, and a few years before of Charles V of Spain. The crucial event was probably the death of Henry II, leaving behind a young heir. If Henri had lived another twenty years, there would have been no religious wars in France.


167 posted on 11/13/2013 8:53:22 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: NKP_Vet; Dutchboy88

I’d be careful about throwing stones from that glass house, if I were you.


168 posted on 11/13/2013 8:53:38 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Hacksaw
Ironic that it is Catholics that are leading battles in the courts today and not the Bornigans.

Ironic that some Catholics are blind to the fact that they are far from alone in the moral battles being waged in the U.S. courts today. A few of them are:

Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. et al., v. Sebelius

Conestoga Wood Specialties Corporation v. Sebelius

Liberty University v. Lew (formerly Liberty University v. Geithner)

Wheaton College v. Sebelius, U.S. District Court, Washington, D.C.

Colorado Christian University v. Sebelius, U.S. District Court, 10th Circuit, Denver, Colo. (source http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/September/18/contraception-mandate-challenges.aspx)

169 posted on 11/13/2013 9:08:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; MarkBsnr
The Roman Catholic Church was undeniably a State Church before there ever was a Protestant State Church, however, and so it is the original State Church.

More like an Empire Church, I'd say. ;o)

170 posted on 11/13/2013 9:17:13 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

“State” meaning polity, whether a state within a Republic, a Republic itself, a monarchy, a fascist regime, an empire or any combination thereof. “State Church” meaning an officially sanctioned, established and enforced religion.


171 posted on 11/13/2013 9:24:14 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NKP_Vet; Slyfox
Washington and Jefferson were members of the Episcopal Church, but were probably deists like the majority of the Founding Fathers, who didn’t ascribe to any particular religion. In all their writings they hardly ever refer to Jesus Christ, or God, but instead refer to a Supreme Being, Author of the Universe, Creator, etc. Washington would occasionally say Christian in his writings, but most scholars don’t think he was Christian. They all believed in God, no matter what they called Him.

That kind of revisionist theorizing is probably what has done more to further atheism in the public square than anything else. However, it is NOT the truth about the "majority" of the founding fathers. For an objective view of this topic, see The Founders as Christians.

172 posted on 11/13/2013 9:33:26 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks...I was being ironical.


173 posted on 11/13/2013 9:54:41 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: GreyFriar

“But one needs also to remember that in Maryland was a colony established for English Catholics. And it succeeded as a colony and also sought independence from England.”

I think that if you look into Maryland’s history you will find that its Catholic founding was largely gone by 1776.


174 posted on 11/13/2013 11:14:30 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: RegulatorCountry; NKP_Vet

“Oh, now. I’m descended from several Protestant groups driven out of France, Alsace-Lorraine, Pfalz, The Palatinate, the Rhineland, Savoy, Moravia and Bohemia, by Catholics.”

I have Huguenot ancestors as well. French Protestants who were driven out by Catholics.

But if NKP wants to point to the Puritans as an especially nasty bunch I’d agree with him. No surprise to find the witch hunts being their doing. James Fenimore Cooper wrote a few books featuring their malign influence back in the 1800s.


175 posted on 11/13/2013 11:35:56 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: pax_et_bonum

You mean the following text did not explain it; exactly??


176 posted on 11/14/2013 4:24:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: johngrace
This is what I think of many of these threads.

Does this apply to only one or to BOTH sides of the aisle?

177 posted on 11/14/2013 4:26:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry
There just MIGHT be...

Get yer 99 bucks ready and then...

https://www.23andme.com/

178 posted on 11/14/2013 4:30:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

People who live in stone houses shouldn’t throw glass.


179 posted on 11/14/2013 4:31:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Had the text explained your first comment “exactly”, I would not have taken the time to ask what you meant.

Are you joking or are you serious?


180 posted on 11/14/2013 4:47:16 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americadd)
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