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What drove English and American anti-Catholicism? A fear that it threatened freedom
Catholic Herald ^ | November 12, 2013 | DANIEL HANNAN

Posted on 11/12/2013 3:47:47 PM PST by NYer

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

Foreign visitors are often bewildered, and occasionally disgusted, by the spectacle of Guy Fawkes Night. The English are not a notably religious people, yet here they are wallowing in what looks like a macabre orgy of anti-Catholicism.

In fact, of course, the event has transcended its sectarian origins. To the extent that participants are aware of any historical resonance at all, they believe they are celebrating parliamentary democracy – which needs protecting, these days, from the Treaty of Rome, not the Bishop of Rome. Fifth of November bonfires serve as a neat symbol for what has happened across the English-speaking world. A political culture that was once thought to be inseparable from Protestantism has transcended whatever denominationalties it had.

Guy Fawkes Night used to be popular in North America, especially in Massachusetts. We have excised that fact from our collective memory, as we have more generally the bellicose anti-Catholicism that powered the American Revolution. We tell ourselves that the argument was about “No taxation without representation” and, for some, it was. But while constitutional questions obsessed the pamphleteering classes whose words we read today, the masses were more exercised by the perceived threat of superstition and idolatry that had sparked their ancestors’ hegira across the Atlantic in the first place. They were horrified by the government’s decision, in 1774, to recognise the traditional rights of the Catholic Church in Quebec.

To many Nonconformists, it seemed that George III was sending the popish serpent after them into Eden. As the First Continental Congress put it in its resolutions: “The dominion of Canada is to be so extended that by their numbers daily swelling with Catholic emigrants from Europe, and by their devotion to Administration, so friendly to their religion, they might become formidable to us, and on occasion, be fit instruments in the hands of power, to reduce the ancient free Protestant Colonies to the same state of slavery with themselves.”

Puritans and Presbyterians saw Anglicanism, with its stately communions and surplices and altar rails, as more than half allied to Rome. There had been a furious reaction in the 1760s when the Archbishop of Canterbury sought to bring the colonists into the fold. Thomas Secker, who had been born a Dissenter, and had the heavy-handed zeal of a convert, had tried to set up an Anglican missionary church in, of all places, Cambridge, Massachusetts, capital of New England Congregationalism. He sought to strike down the Massachusetts Act, which allowed for Puritan missionary work among the Indians and, most unpopular of all, to create American bishops.

The ministry backed off, but trust was never recovered. As the great historian of religion in America, William Warren Sweet, put it: “Religious strife between the Church of England and the Dissenters furnished the mountain of combustible material for the great conflagration, while the dispute over stamp, tea and other taxes acted merely as the matches of ignition.”

John Adams is remembered today as a humane and decent man – which he was. We forget that he earnestly wondered: “Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?” Thomas Jefferson’s stirring defences of liberty move us even now. Yet he was convinced that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

Americans had, as so often, distilled to greater potency a tendency that was present throughout the English-speaking world: an inchoate but strong conviction that Catholicism threatened freedom. Daniel Defoe talked of “a hundred thousand country fellows prepared to fight to the death against Popery, without knowing whether it be a man or a horse”. Anti-Catholicism was not principally doctrinal: few people were much interested in whether you believed in priestly celibacy or praying for the souls of the dead. Rather, it was geopolitical.

The English-speaking peoples spent the better part of three centuries at war with Spain, France or both. The magisterial historian of the Stuarts, J P Kenyon, likened the atmosphere to that of the Cold War, at its height when he was writing. Just as western Communists, even the most patriotic among them, were seen as potential agents of a foreign power, and just as suspicion fell even upon mainstream socialists, so 17th-century Catholics were feared as fifth columnists, and even those High Church Anglicans whose rites and practices appeared too “Romish” were regarded as untrustworthy. The notion of Protestantism as a national identity, divorced from religious belief, now survives only in parts of Northern Ireland; but it was once common to the Anglosphere.

When telling the story of liberty in the Anglophone world in my new book, I found this much the hardest chapter to write. Being of Ulster Catholic extraction on one side and Scottish Presbyterian on the other, I am more alert to sectarianism than most British people, and I’ve always loathed it. But it is impossible to record the rise of the English-speaking peoples without understanding their world view. Notions of providence and destiny, of contracts and covenants, of being a chosen people, were central to the self-definition of English-speakers – especially those who settled across the oceans. Protestantism, in their minds, formed an alloy with freedom and property that could not be melted down into its component elements.

And here’s the almost miraculous thing: they ended up creating a uniquely individualist culture that endured when religious practice waned. Adams and Jefferson led the first state in the world based on true religious freedom (as opposed to toleration). From a spasm of sectarianism came, paradoxically, pluralism. And, once it had come, it held on. “I never met an English Catholic who did not value, as much as any Protestant, the free institutions of his country,” wrote an astonished Tocqueville.

Best of all, Anglosphere values proved transportable: they are why Bermuda is not Haiti, why Singapore is not Indonesia and why Hong Kong is not China. There’s a thought to cheer us, whatever our denomination, all as the orange sparks rise from the bonfires each year.



TOPICS: Catholic; History; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
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To: mad_as_he$$

You noticed that too?


141 posted on 11/13/2013 4:42:22 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: CynicalBear
It most certainly is. We see it here daily. I was just reading 2 Tim. 1:5, about the unfeigned faith of Timothy. That is what the Body of Christ does here daily. "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth SURE, having this SEAL, The Lord KNOWETH THEM THAT ARE HIS.." (2 TIm.2:19).

WE KNOW. HE KNOWS. That's all we need to sustain us through this battle. Amen.

142 posted on 11/13/2013 5:04:50 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Yea, I’ve run into them and their not Jesuits that’s for sure.


143 posted on 11/13/2013 5:24:49 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: NYer
What drove English and American anti-Catholicism?

It probably had something to do with the historical facts that caused the COUNTER reformation.

144 posted on 11/13/2013 5:25:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Usagi_yo
So, set your head straight, you having faith in something that others do not, does not equal wrong or right for either side.

Is this statement equivalent to "All religions are equal"?

145 posted on 11/13/2013 5:26:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Anti-catholicism was justified in the past, back in the days when Popes issued papal bulls calling for the oppression of ‘heretics’ and compelling adherents of the Catholic faith to turn against any government or ruler that was not Roman Catholic. It gave ideological support to the concept of monarchical absolutism and theocratic despotism.

Thank GOD that at least the Catholic DOCTRINE was being kept pure!

146 posted on 11/13/2013 5:27:46 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hugin
There are some Catholics (and others) who want to pretend it never happened though, and portray all anti-Catholicism of the past as simple bigotry akin to racism.

Of the past?

147 posted on 11/13/2013 5:28:35 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Clemenza
I see neither C nor P mentioned here:


 
 
 
Mayflower Compact
 
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 
 
 

148 posted on 11/13/2013 5:31:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NKP_Vet
Without Catholics, starting with Columbus, bringing Christianity to the New World, there would be no United States.

Or a bible to read.

149 posted on 11/13/2013 5:32:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: pax_et_bonum
We Catholics feel the same way toward y’all.

Yeah; in the trenches. But just WAIT 'til the war is over!!


I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said.
 
I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?"
 
I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He said, "Protestant."
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!"
 
I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of GOD or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
He said, "Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of GOD, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD?"
He said,"Reformed Baptist Church of GOD!"
 
I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915?"
He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of GOD, reformation of 1915!"
 
I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.
-- Emo Phillips

150 posted on 11/13/2013 5:34:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NYer; DixieOklahoma; reuben barruchstein; theprophetyellszambolamboromo; Alusch; house of cards; ...
Tragedy in Birmingham

Don't forget the Racist, Democrat US Senator who was an anti-Semite, Anti-Catholic, KKK member appointed to the scotus by FDR -- Hugo Black -- the biggest advocate of the separation of church (especially the Catholic Church) and state.


151 posted on 11/13/2013 5:37:43 PM PST by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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To: Hieronymus
All of the colonies had state religions, which were maintained, for the most part, into the 19th century.

Does UTAH have one?

I know that the folks that founded it WANTED one...

152 posted on 11/13/2013 5:37:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Can’t we just put that, ahem, embarrassing fact behind us now?


153 posted on 11/13/2013 5:39:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
REAL Catholics, like the ones on FR, vote Republican.

REAL Mormons, like the ones on FR, vote for... "Who we got in the race THIS time?"

154 posted on 11/13/2013 5:42:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rwa265

Duh!

Aren’t ALL of us here?


155 posted on 11/13/2013 5:45:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah; in the trenches. But just WAIT ‘til the war is over!!

***

What, exactly, do you mean by this?


156 posted on 11/13/2013 6:23:09 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americadd)
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To: Coleus
You Pinged me. Thank You. This is what I think of many of these threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhPCCAQdtOE

157 posted on 11/13/2013 6:38:10 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhPCCAQdtOE


158 posted on 11/13/2013 6:38:35 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: cripplecreek
Today we Protestants mostly see Catholics as natural allies and assets in our fight to save America.

Not any more or less than anyone else...

Fact is, the vatican would love to see us go the way of the NWO as would the majority of Catholics (who voted for Obama)...

It's the conservative Catholics and conservative anyone who are our natural allies to save America...

And there doesn't seem to be enough of them...

159 posted on 11/13/2013 7:01:21 PM PST by Iscool
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To: rwa265
Please realize that the Catholics on this site are mostly conservative Republicans.

I understand that. But it doesn't change the fact that Catholics vote Rat by a significant margin. I wish it weren't true but facts are facts.

Catholics aren't lockstep socialists like blacks or American Jews. But they aren't far behind.

160 posted on 11/13/2013 7:29:43 PM PST by RugerMini14
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