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What drove English and American anti-Catholicism? A fear that it threatened freedom
Catholic Herald ^ | November 12, 2013 | DANIEL HANNAN

Posted on 11/12/2013 3:47:47 PM PST by NYer

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

The US Declaration of Indepdence: Thomas Jefferson saw Catholicism as despotism

Foreign visitors are often bewildered, and occasionally disgusted, by the spectacle of Guy Fawkes Night. The English are not a notably religious people, yet here they are wallowing in what looks like a macabre orgy of anti-Catholicism.

In fact, of course, the event has transcended its sectarian origins. To the extent that participants are aware of any historical resonance at all, they believe they are celebrating parliamentary democracy – which needs protecting, these days, from the Treaty of Rome, not the Bishop of Rome. Fifth of November bonfires serve as a neat symbol for what has happened across the English-speaking world. A political culture that was once thought to be inseparable from Protestantism has transcended whatever denominationalties it had.

Guy Fawkes Night used to be popular in North America, especially in Massachusetts. We have excised that fact from our collective memory, as we have more generally the bellicose anti-Catholicism that powered the American Revolution. We tell ourselves that the argument was about “No taxation without representation” and, for some, it was. But while constitutional questions obsessed the pamphleteering classes whose words we read today, the masses were more exercised by the perceived threat of superstition and idolatry that had sparked their ancestors’ hegira across the Atlantic in the first place. They were horrified by the government’s decision, in 1774, to recognise the traditional rights of the Catholic Church in Quebec.

To many Nonconformists, it seemed that George III was sending the popish serpent after them into Eden. As the First Continental Congress put it in its resolutions: “The dominion of Canada is to be so extended that by their numbers daily swelling with Catholic emigrants from Europe, and by their devotion to Administration, so friendly to their religion, they might become formidable to us, and on occasion, be fit instruments in the hands of power, to reduce the ancient free Protestant Colonies to the same state of slavery with themselves.”

Puritans and Presbyterians saw Anglicanism, with its stately communions and surplices and altar rails, as more than half allied to Rome. There had been a furious reaction in the 1760s when the Archbishop of Canterbury sought to bring the colonists into the fold. Thomas Secker, who had been born a Dissenter, and had the heavy-handed zeal of a convert, had tried to set up an Anglican missionary church in, of all places, Cambridge, Massachusetts, capital of New England Congregationalism. He sought to strike down the Massachusetts Act, which allowed for Puritan missionary work among the Indians and, most unpopular of all, to create American bishops.

The ministry backed off, but trust was never recovered. As the great historian of religion in America, William Warren Sweet, put it: “Religious strife between the Church of England and the Dissenters furnished the mountain of combustible material for the great conflagration, while the dispute over stamp, tea and other taxes acted merely as the matches of ignition.”

John Adams is remembered today as a humane and decent man – which he was. We forget that he earnestly wondered: “Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?” Thomas Jefferson’s stirring defences of liberty move us even now. Yet he was convinced that “in every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.”

Americans had, as so often, distilled to greater potency a tendency that was present throughout the English-speaking world: an inchoate but strong conviction that Catholicism threatened freedom. Daniel Defoe talked of “a hundred thousand country fellows prepared to fight to the death against Popery, without knowing whether it be a man or a horse”. Anti-Catholicism was not principally doctrinal: few people were much interested in whether you believed in priestly celibacy or praying for the souls of the dead. Rather, it was geopolitical.

The English-speaking peoples spent the better part of three centuries at war with Spain, France or both. The magisterial historian of the Stuarts, J P Kenyon, likened the atmosphere to that of the Cold War, at its height when he was writing. Just as western Communists, even the most patriotic among them, were seen as potential agents of a foreign power, and just as suspicion fell even upon mainstream socialists, so 17th-century Catholics were feared as fifth columnists, and even those High Church Anglicans whose rites and practices appeared too “Romish” were regarded as untrustworthy. The notion of Protestantism as a national identity, divorced from religious belief, now survives only in parts of Northern Ireland; but it was once common to the Anglosphere.

When telling the story of liberty in the Anglophone world in my new book, I found this much the hardest chapter to write. Being of Ulster Catholic extraction on one side and Scottish Presbyterian on the other, I am more alert to sectarianism than most British people, and I’ve always loathed it. But it is impossible to record the rise of the English-speaking peoples without understanding their world view. Notions of providence and destiny, of contracts and covenants, of being a chosen people, were central to the self-definition of English-speakers – especially those who settled across the oceans. Protestantism, in their minds, formed an alloy with freedom and property that could not be melted down into its component elements.

And here’s the almost miraculous thing: they ended up creating a uniquely individualist culture that endured when religious practice waned. Adams and Jefferson led the first state in the world based on true religious freedom (as opposed to toleration). From a spasm of sectarianism came, paradoxically, pluralism. And, once it had come, it held on. “I never met an English Catholic who did not value, as much as any Protestant, the free institutions of his country,” wrote an astonished Tocqueville.

Best of all, Anglosphere values proved transportable: they are why Bermuda is not Haiti, why Singapore is not Indonesia and why Hong Kong is not China. There’s a thought to cheer us, whatever our denomination, all as the orange sparks rise from the bonfires each year.



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To: Dutchboy88

Why on earth would I threaten somebody on the Internet like some lonely idiot in his mother’s basement? I was simply letting you know that, according to his post, the owner of this site does not appreciate that brand of anti-Catholicism. Ironically it is you who should be reviewing the rules.


121 posted on 11/13/2013 12:24:14 PM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun
"Why on earth would I threaten somebody on the Internet like some lonely idiot in his mother’s basement? I was simply letting you know that, according to his post, the owner of this site does not appreciate that brand of anti-Catholicism. Ironically it is you who should be reviewing the rules."

LOL. I'll review them. Thank you for the reminder.

122 posted on 11/13/2013 12:38:23 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Salvation; Alex Murphy
"We have the story of Abel’s spilled blood in our Bible. Please do not try to put words into my mouth."

You mentioned that your org was nearly 2000 years old...I simply said ours was better than 5000 years old. And, Abel's story was about faith implanted in him, not about blood spilled (Heb. 12). Please remove whatever words you think I am placing in your mouth.

123 posted on 11/13/2013 12:42:42 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Alex Murphy; Dutchboy88; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear; ...
the bellicose anti-Catholicism that powered the American Revolution

Any day is a good day for historical revisionism!

I guess so.

Silly me. And I thought the American Revolution was about breaking free from the control of England.

The martyr complex displayed by Catholics whining about how persecuted they are is simply nauseating.

If you're going to be a martyr, let someone else decide that you are. Otherwise, you just sound like a whiney crybaby.

124 posted on 11/13/2013 12:44:25 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: metmom

But it gives them such a superior feeling of holiness.


125 posted on 11/13/2013 12:52:27 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
Silly me. And I thought the American Revolution was about breaking free from the control of England.

That's what the freemasons want us to think. //conspiracy off

126 posted on 11/13/2013 1:14:28 PM PST by GeronL
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To: metmom
"The martyr complex displayed by Catholics whining about how persecuted they are is simply nauseating.

If you're going to be a martyr, let someone else decide that you are. Otherwise, you just sound like a whiney crybaby."

Okay, that's gonna leave a mark.

127 posted on 11/13/2013 1:54:51 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

(you know, that Book that Rome claims to have delivered to the world, gag)


Please enlighten me. How was the New Covenant preserved through the ages?


128 posted on 11/13/2013 2:52:57 PM PST by rwa265
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To: metmom

wannabes. Because they cannot find their own identity within God’s Word, they MUST take another’s. They simply are not satisfied to be blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places. They want the earth, too. Just what God promised Israel. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Gen. 1:1. He created the heaven for a people. He created the earth for a people. They don’t care to be lumped together with all Gentiles. It’s not good enough for them. They desire to be the apple of God’s eye on this earth. Which we know is impossible right now. He is dealing with all mankind on an equal basis through the finished work of Christ. Wanting to be set apart and “special” they steal, kill and destroy that which they cannot have from God Himself. And whine when confronted with the proof. Persecution my you-know-what. It’s called propaganda that is not bought hook line and sinker.


129 posted on 11/13/2013 3:07:52 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: rwa265
"Please enlighten me. How was the New Covenant preserved through the ages?"

As I have said before, that is like the carport bragging to everyone that it built the Ferrari. Sorry, my FRiend, God wrote the Book...whatever small, bit part your club played in garaging it.

130 posted on 11/13/2013 3:07:54 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: rwa265; Dutchboy88
Please enlighten me. How was the New Covenant preserved through the ages?

Because when a covenant goes into effect, it is what it is. It exists and is in effect, regardless of whether anyone sees a need to enforce it.

So the new covenant in Christ's blood is in effect until it is changed.

Even if someone didn't enforce it, it is still in effect.

131 posted on 11/13/2013 3:14:08 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: smvoice
Once you understand your identity in Christ, you realize there is no need for seeking anything else.

Ephesians 1:3-21 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints, I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.


132 posted on 11/13/2013 3:20:24 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Dutchboy88; metmom

God wrote the Book...whatever small, bit part your club played in garaging it.
Because when a covenant goes into effect, it is what it is


Actually, I played absolutely no part in garaging it. However, God’s Word and His covenant does not mean much if we don’t receive it. I was just wondering how the Word was delivered to you and how you are so certain that you have the correct understanding. Who passed on the teachings of the apostles to you?


133 posted on 11/13/2013 3:37:34 PM PST by rwa265
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To: metmom
Amen, metmom. I especially love this part: "...that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him..."

He has given us this revelation through Paul, so that we, the Body of Christ may know His wisdom. It's not a secret, something that only a few may know. It's THERE in His Word. Waiting to be found out. And it isn't hard to decipher, why would it be? This is HIS desire for us.

134 posted on 11/13/2013 3:39:35 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: rwa265; Dutchboy88
I was just wondering how the Word was delivered to you and how you are so certain that you have the correct understanding.

The Holy Spirit.

Much to Catholicism's chagrin, God is perfectly capable of making Himself known to mankind without the Catholic Church's *help*.

135 posted on 11/13/2013 3:41:49 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: metmom; rwa265; Dutchboy88; CynicalBear
"HAVING MADE KNOWN UNTO US the mystery of HIS WILL, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:" (Eph. 1:9).

THIS is how we are so certain we have the correct understanding, rwa265. He has ALREADY made known to us His will. It's no secret. It WAS a secret (Rom. 16:25,26) kept secret in Him since the world began, but it is NOW made manifest through the revelations that the risen Christ gave to Paul for the building of the Body of Christ. The mystery (secret) has been told to us. It's all laid out in His word. So I think the correct question would be "which part of His word is correct for the Body of Christ today?" It's not animal sacrifice, it's not baptism for the remission of sins, it's not dietary rules, it's not the law, it's not circumcision. They are all there, in His word, but they are not all for our doing. So, what is "for our doing"?

136 posted on 11/13/2013 3:55:06 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice

It’s always interesting when sects try to “teach” us what the “secrets” and “mysteries” of Christ really are when it’s all right there in scripture.


137 posted on 11/13/2013 4:13:59 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

I know. It’s all there for anyone with eyes to see. And the Holy Spirit to guide. THERE’S the problem...


138 posted on 11/13/2013 4:17:44 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice

This assault on the gospel is going to get more intense as we get closer to the end also.


139 posted on 11/13/2013 4:29:25 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Usagi_yo

“Beside, Catholicism is not incorrect nor correct. It’s a faith. So, set your head straight, you having faith in something that others do not, does not equal wrong or right for either side.”

Interesting, since there is an almost daily thread on FR claiming that the only true religion is RC and everyone else sucks and is going to hell.


140 posted on 11/13/2013 4:36:16 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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