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To: Mr Rogers

Sorbonne is a school. It is not the Church. Your own post proves that. Thanks.

“Would you like to guess how many non-Catholics were on it?”

Zero. Would you like to guess how many representatives of the Vatican were on it? Zero. Sorbonne is a school. It is not the Church. It didn’t speak for the universal Church either.

You can keep digging your hole. I don’t mind watching you embarrass yourself by now insinuating that a school in France was the universal authority of the Church. Go for it. Next you’ll be claiming the DMV of Wisconsin is the same thing as the U.S. Federal Government.


193 posted on 11/11/2013 4:57:07 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“Sorbonne is a school. It is not the Church.”

The Faculty of Theology was not just a school. It operated under the Catholic Church.

And the REASONS it banned Bible translations ARE the reasons the Catholic Church wanted them banned.

I did not say it was “the universal Church”. Heck, you could argue the POPE wasn’t authoritative when he issued bans, because he wasn’t speaking ‘ex cathedra’.

The point is that these were acts by the Catholic Church to ban vernacular translations. They would not have happened if the Catholic Church had disagreed, nor would they have continued on for hundreds of years had the Catholic Church OPPOSED them. They were done by Catholics, under the charter of the Catholic Church, with the support of the Inquisition, for the reasons given, to prevent commoners from being able to read the scriptures.

Those actions and reasons should have appalled the Catholic Church. The Pope should have denounced their actions, rather than endorse them with his own Index (list of books) a few years later.

This statement:

“How dangerous it is to allow the reading of the Bible in the vernacular to unlearned people and those not piously or humbly disposed (of whom there are many in our times) may be seen from the Waldensians, Albigenses, and Poor Men of Lyons, who have thereby lapsed into error and have led many into the same condition. Considering the nature of men, the translation of the Bible into the vernacular must in the present be regarded therefore as dangerous and pernicious”

was written because that is what the Catholic Church believed and wanted to happen. The Inquisition was not something that took place independent of the Catholic Church.

Schaff gave a list of actions by the Catholic Church to prevent commoners from reading scripture. It was an accurate list. Saying the actions took place in the Sorbonne, and thus were secular acts separate from the Roman Catholic Church is false. Catholic theologians, acting under charter from the Catholic Church, banned vernacular translations because that was the Catholic position. They did so for the reasons given, and the Catholic Church was happy about it.

But that is the difference between the NEGATIVE approach of the Catholic Church, and the positive approach of the Protestant one, contrary to the argument in the article at the beginning of this thread. Protestants want to follow the Word of God. That is a positive desire. It doesn’t look to the Catholic Church and ask how we can be different. It looks to the Word of God.

And because we value the Word of God, we want everyone to have access to it, so they can read for themselves what God expects of them and how He would have us live.

And the Catholic Church did its best to stop us from getting those vernacular translations. That the Faculty of Theology AT Sorbonne was one of the places WHERE it happened doesn’t change what happened, or why. The University of Arizona operates independently of churches. The Faculty of Theology at Sorbonne, in the 1500s, did not.


195 posted on 11/11/2013 5:26:26 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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