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To: Mr Rogers

“That is silly. The secular government enforced the rule of the Catholic Church.”

The University of Sorbonne is a school. It is not the Catholic Church.

“As a matter of policy, the Catholic Church opposed vernacular translation for commoners.”

Then show me the policy as stated by the Catholic Church. Surely if it is a policy it would be written. What you posted from Pius IV - if it is genuine - does not oppose vernacular translations in themselves.


182 posted on 11/10/2013 6:40:53 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“The secular government enforced the rule of the Catholic Church. It is like claiming the Catholic Church never put anyone to death, but merely turned over heretics to be burned by the state”.

Not the first Christian came to America running from Catholic persecution. They came to get away from protestants that wanted them dead.


183 posted on 11/10/2013 6:55:31 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: vladimir998

“The University of Sorbonne is a school. It is not the Catholic Church.”

“The Index of Prohibited Books.

This was confirmed and extended by the Bull Inter multiplices of Alexander VI in 1501. At the Fifth Lateran Leo X in 1515 authorized the Master of the Sacred Palace to act as censor in Rome and the papal States; and the Inquisition in 1543 began to regard the censorship as one of its functions. The first lists of prohibited books were however drawn up in 1546 and 1550 at Louvain, in 1549 at Cologne, and by the Sorbonne between 1544 and 1551. The first papal Index was that of Paul IV, which was published in 1559...”

“The theological faculty of the University of Paris published, March 10, 1542, a summary of the most obnoxious doctrines of the Roman Church, in twenty-five articles, which were sanctioned by an edict of the king of France, and were to be subscribed by all candidates of the priesthood.”

The location was not important, but who was doing the work. The Sorbonne meant the Faculty of Theology at Sorbonne. Would you like to guess how many non-Catholics were on it?

Later, its list of censored works was dealt with by the Pope in the Index Librorum Prohibitorum:

“Compiled by official censors, the Index was an implementation of one part of the teaching function of the Roman Catholic church: to prevent the contamination of the faith or the corruption of morals through the reading of theologically erroneous or immoral books. It was not, therefore, equivalent to the total legislation of the church regulating reading by Roman Catholics; nor was it ever a complete catalog of forbidden reading. Until 1966, canon law prescribed two main forms of control over literature: the censorship of books by Roman Catholics in advance of publication, in regard to matters of faith and morals (a practice still followed); and the condemnation of published books that were judged to be harmful. The works appearing on the Index are only those that ecclesiastical authority was asked to act upon...The first catalog of forbidden books to include in its title the word index, however, was published in 1559 by the Sacred Congregation of the Roman Inquisition (a precursor to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith). The last and 20th edition of the Index appeared in 1948. The list was suppressed in June 1966.”

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/285220/Index-Librorum-Prohibitorum

“In response to Luther’s vulgar publications - Luther wrote in German and in simple Latin to reach a wide audience - the Faculty of Theology published their own book,...where they officialy condemned Luther’s works on April 15, 1521. With full support of the Parlement of Paris, the highest judicial court in France, the many French theologians outlined punishments for heretics who followed the one German theologian: owners of Lutheran books would be fined a hundred livres and imprisoned.”

The Faculty of Theology acted under a charter from the Catholic Church.

Again, you cannot separate church and state when they were one and the same in those days. The prohibition on a national church in our Constitution was a safeguard against such a thing happening in the USA, and thus it is almost impossible for us to realize the extent to which church and state were intertwined.


187 posted on 11/10/2013 7:42:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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