WHO WAS JOSEPH SMITH? [The OTHER World Series: Mormonism's Joseph Smith and the Occult]

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[Colofornian]

Hey, Teppe, I guess you missed this posting just from last week!

Former Brigham Young University Professor Tells of Mormon Family’s Conversion to Christianity

Here's the "pro-Christian" content segments of that article:

...her personal testimony, which occurred over a two-year period as God worked in the hearts of her family members.

So God working in her heart & leaving a testimony isn't "pro-Christian?"

The article mentions how they visited a Christian church.

It mentions afterwards that

“I read my Bible, sometimes hours a day, and truly felt I was being washed,” Wilder explained. “In its pages, I met a Jesus who was able to save me from my life of working to be ‘good.’”...“I was simply overwhelmed by the Spirit,” she said. “I went face down in surrender to Christ.”...“Words cannot describe the feeling of finally knowing the Lord Jesus Christ in a way that you’ve always wanted to,” he said, becoming tearful. “Reading His word for the very first time and being washed clean by that word and understanding what his Gospel really was–that’s what changed my life. … I’ll never be the same.”

This is as "pro-Christian" as it gets!

[Colofornian]

masonic fraternity...

"The Freemasons of the United States have, by tacit consent, referred to it (the pentagram) as a symbol of the Five Points of Fellowship. The outlines of the five pointed star are the same as those of the pentalpha or Pythagoras." (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, p. 358.)

Source:

Occult Symbols Explained

Btw, click on this link & you can see pictures of ALL KINDS of pagan occult symbols linked with Mormon temples

[TheThirdRuffian]

The chaplain doesn’t have to be the one performing the marriage or the funeral, for that matter.

[BeadCounter]

Yeah, thank goodness I haven’t seen any Mormon suicide bombers. Snicker.

[MrB]

Mormons are nice people, I’ll grant you that.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

WHOAAA!!!!! This post needs a TRUTH FIX!!

"As a praticing LDS member (Cult of Mormonism) 52 years of age, I would like to express my love for my saviour, [the created spirit] Jesus Christ, and thanfullness for his atonement [when he sweat blood in the Garden, instead of on the cross] which makes me capable [if I am really, really worthy] of being cleansed from all sin."

"I would also like to express my thankfullness for Joseph Smith [our vile, horndog prophet and scammer] who for the first time in over 1,000 years clarified [perverted] that Jesus Christ was/is the literal [God had sex with Mary] son of Almighty God [of course, by this, I mean just one of millions or billions of mormonic gods]! Just as declared in the Bible [well, if you ignore vast portions]!"

"Joseph Smith [the scammer] taught me that Jesus Christ is not the third leg of a 4th century extra-biblical political/religious construction [despite the evidence being clearly in Scripture that Christ is eternal God, neither created nor made] that relies on a definition of a God with a three-way personality disorder (three-in-one, one-in-three, but never really three, but never really one, please find that in the Bible!) [OK, well the Bible teaches God is actually One God and exists as three Persons, but forget that!]."

"As I delight in my knowledge of God the Eternal Father [and did I mention Mother God? We of course believe in Her too!!] and in his literal [Yea, God had Sex, but He has Celestial Sex with Heavenly Mother/s all the time anyway] Son, Jesus Christ, my saviour [if I'm worthy], I will forever be grateful for Joseph Smith’s insight which re-declared [perverted] the Biblical truths of God the Father’s relationship with Jesus Christ!"

No charge.

[Boogieman]

Joseph Smith, isn’t it true that you have deceived millions with your false religion, built on a foundation of lies?

Joe Smith: “Hey, a fella’s got to make a living”

[aMorePerfectUnion]

That was then! Now I know the truth! The flames of truth burn!!

Even I know longer believe in the false religion I started! Yet day after day, the people I led astray keep posting on FreeRepublic and knocking on doors to mislead people.

Oh, how I regret how Satan used me to lead millions astray! If only I had a second chance to change things! FLEE! Before it is too late! Flee the cult of mormonism!

7.5 posted on Sat Nov 27 15:23:02 2010 by Joseph Smith

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It seems clear that Joseph Smith now knows the consequence of leading many to hell, based on a series of horndog lies...

That was then! Now I know the truth! The flames of truth burn!!

Even I know longer believe in the false religion I started! Yet day after day, the people I led astray keep posting on FreeRepublic and knocking on doors to mislead people.

Oh, how I regret how Satan used me to lead millions astray! If only I had a second chance to change things! FLEE! Before it is too late! Flee the cult of mormonism!

7.5 posted on Sat Nov 27 15:23:02 2010 by Joseph Smith

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It seems clear that Joseph Smith now knows the consequence of leading many to hell, based on a series of horndog lies...

[Boogieman]

Well, hey, at least you are owning up to your non-Christian theology, instead of trying to pretend that you are really a Christian.

[ansel12]

Then I guess the Army is a religion since it was involved in both my father’s marriage and his funeral.

I was married while in the Army, by a Chaplin that I chose not by his denomination, but because he was Airborne qualified, and my wife was given away by my Captain, but I never thought of that as "the Army" being involved in my marriage.

[Elsie]

Figures Who Influenced Smith

Or else he just made the whole thing up!

[Elsie]

Strange that they would falsely "image" their founder in such a way...

Why not; as they LIE about other things visually as well!

The following are the LYING images that MORMONism has produced, KNOWING that they represent something FALSE!!

 

 

   

[Elsie]

... they LIE about other things visually as well!

How it was REALLY done...

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"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."

---Joseph Knight's journal.

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"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.

(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),

"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

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"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,

as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,

and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

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In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."

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"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"

reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881

in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

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In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:

 

 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,

Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12

June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)

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Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:

 

"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"

("A New Witness for Christ in America,"

Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)

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"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."

---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.

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[TheThirdRuffian]

That’s my point.

[Elsie]

...I will forever be grateful for Joseph Smith’s insight which re-declared the Biblical truths of God the Father’s relationship with Jesus Christ!

Oh?

And just what 'truths' are those??

You say they are BIBLICAL???

[Elsie]

Just asking because I’ve never seen you promote a pro-christian article before!

Nor have I you...

[MrB]

I see what you did there... but you blew the 27.5...

[Elsie]

Smith was very like Muhamed.

Now you've just whetted some folks appetites without beddin' 'em back down...

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I'll fix it...

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

• Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

• Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

• Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

• As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

• Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

• Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

• Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

• Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

• Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

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[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.

[Colofornian]

Joseph Smith taught me that Jesus Christ is not the third leg of a 4th century extra-biblical political/religious construction that relies on a definition of a God with a three-way personality disorder (three-in-one, one-in-three, but never really three, but never really one, please find that in the Bible!).

Being three Persons is no "personality disorder" (what you disgracefully & blasphemously accuse God of being).

And being more united than any married couple can be is no "personality disorder," either.

‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” (Jesus, Matthew 19)

If Teppe, you continue to plead ignorance about God re: the level He is, Jesus has left you no excuse to understand diversity-within-unity at the human level.

If you are married Teppe, or have been, you -- per Jesus -- are/were a single unit. Oh, sure two personalities exist within that one unit. But Jesus doesn't define you as "two": In fact, He clearly says: ...they are NO LONGER two." (Matt. 19:6)

What trouble, Teppe, do you have with the phrase "no longer"???

Jesus reiterates here that what is now deemed as "One" by Him cannot be separated! (Matthew 19:6)

This 2-in-1 unity not ONLY applies in a parallel way to this 3-in-1 God, but this unity also cannot be encroached upon. Just as you cannot sever a marital unit, Jesus says, you cannot sever God. Just as we no longer reference a married couple as "two," likewise, we cannot reference our 3-in-1 God as only "three"...for they are more "one"...more bonded...than any Being in the Universe! Distinct persons -- just as in marriage? Yes. But "one" -- as in "One God."

[Elsie]

Yeah, thank goodness I haven’t seen any Mormon suicide bombers. Snicker.

Yup; they ain't THAT stupid to kill THEMSELVES along with their victims!