Posted on 10/24/2013 7:26:48 AM PDT by Morgana
But I think it is when the couple is beyond child bearing years. Have a personal prayer book, a Catholic one which says that the question can be omitted if the couple getting married is “advanced in years”. I know Elizabeth, but that was a miracle of God.
Our Pre-Cana classes were conducted by a nun. At one point we were separated and asked these questions. One of which was “are you freely willing to have intercourse with this woman?”
I rolled my eyes a bit, stroked my chin and said, “Sister, may I have a few minutes to think about that?”
The poor nun nearly passed out. Spent a lot of time in confession after that one.
Our priest told us in no uncertain terms that bringing the children up (meaning - you ARE going to have children) Catholic is a non-negotiable.
Your comment doesn’t make sense.
By contraception or abortion? Which is your poison? Or both?
Very good points. Others ill, physically or emotionally, can not responsibly have children (or sex).
How is the Catholic religion supposed to grow unless people are physically born into it?
Ruh-roh; very funny! And Pre-Cana was the term I was searching for. Thanks on that!
Good to hear! :)
So do you support abortion and contraception?
Those are no, nos.
Yes, we all know that babies are killed through abortion, but we refuse to believe that babies are killed (prevented from being formed — coupleis playing God) through contraception.
That’s wrong. An annulment says the couple was not validly married. (Married in the church with the intention of procreating and remaining faithful to their one husband or wife.)
Anullments are not stressful. Just fill out the paper work and send it in to the tribunal. Talk to your priest for guidance.
Why do you keep repeating these untruths?
How about people of such limited intellect that they can't understand simple rules without jabbering about possible exceptions?
They're obviously hopelessly IQ deficient to the point that they there's a high probability their offspring will be morons so are they an exception?
“I prefer to do my own family planning.”
Yeah, just leave the Creator out of it, right?
“Annulment: Another name for Catholic divorce.”
If that was the case then some couples would never get turned down when they go through an annulment process - but they do.
Open to children does not mean fertile. It means you are willing to have children (as opposed to able to have them). You may not be able, but are you intentionally contracepting to minimize the possibility?
From the CIC:
QUOTE
Can. 1084 §1. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.
§2. If the impediment of impotence is doubtful, whether by a doubt about the law or a doubt about a fact, a marriage must not be impeded nor, while the doubt remains, declared null.
§3. Sterility neither prohibits nor nullifies marriage, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 1098.
Can. 1098 A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by malice, perpetrated to obtain consent, concerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life.
END QUOTE
So, while impotence (the inability to have sex) is an impediment, infertility is not, unless one of the partners intentionally deceives the other.
So even if one cannot have children, both the man and the woman getting married, if they are advanced in years, the same question must be asked of them in the ceremony of marriage regardless the two persons are past childbearing?
” So even if one cannot have children, both the man and the woman getting married, if they are advanced in years, the same question must be asked of them in the ceremony of marriage regardless the two persons are past childbearing?”
Are the old couple going to contracept?
If the answer its “yes”, then I would say they are not open to children.
Although an extraordinarily slim chance, if, hypothetically, the old woman was to get pregnant, would they welcome the child? Or would they think that she’d get an abortion? If the answer is “yes”, then they are not open to children.
Otherwise, it sounds like they’d be open to the possibility (if God gave them an Abraham/Sarah type surprise)
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