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Vatican: For Catholic marriage to be valid, couples must be open to children
Life Site News ^ | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 10/24/2013 7:26:48 AM PDT by Morgana

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To: mlizzy

But I think it is when the couple is beyond child bearing years. Have a personal prayer book, a Catholic one which says that the question can be omitted if the couple getting married is “advanced in years”. I know Elizabeth, but that was a miracle of God.


21 posted on 10/24/2013 8:23:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: mlizzy

Our Pre-Cana classes were conducted by a nun. At one point we were separated and asked these questions. One of which was “are you freely willing to have intercourse with this woman?”

I rolled my eyes a bit, stroked my chin and said, “Sister, may I have a few minutes to think about that?”

The poor nun nearly passed out. Spent a lot of time in confession after that one.


22 posted on 10/24/2013 8:29:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mlizzy

Our priest told us in no uncertain terms that bringing the children up (meaning - you ARE going to have children) Catholic is a non-negotiable.


23 posted on 10/24/2013 9:06:21 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: qam1

Your comment doesn’t make sense.


24 posted on 10/24/2013 9:07:05 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
I prefer to do my own family planning.

By contraception or abortion? Which is your poison? Or both?

25 posted on 10/24/2013 9:08:15 AM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Biggirl
What about those couples who cannot have children, or were older when they got married? Well their marriage can still be fruitful, via helping others come to faith in the Lord.

Very good points. Others ill, physically or emotionally, can not responsibly have children (or sex).

26 posted on 10/24/2013 9:19:38 AM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

How is the Catholic religion supposed to grow unless people are physically born into it?


27 posted on 10/24/2013 9:46:34 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Most Catholics don’t seek annulments. A murder trial would be less stressful. Often it would require asking children to testify against one of their parents...a bridge too far for many people.

Except for people who have the money to buy annulments (See: Kennedys).
28 posted on 10/24/2013 9:48:05 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ruh-roh; very funny! And Pre-Cana was the term I was searching for. Thanks on that!


29 posted on 10/24/2013 9:49:18 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: frogjerk

Good to hear! :)


30 posted on 10/24/2013 9:50:08 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

So do you support abortion and contraception?

Those are no, nos.

Yes, we all know that babies are killed through abortion, but we refuse to believe that babies are killed (prevented from being formed — coupleis playing God) through contraception.


31 posted on 10/24/2013 9:59:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: count-your-change

That’s wrong. An annulment says the couple was not validly married. (Married in the church with the intention of procreating and remaining faithful to their one husband or wife.)


32 posted on 10/24/2013 10:01:10 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Anullments are not stressful. Just fill out the paper work and send it in to the tribunal. Talk to your priest for guidance.


33 posted on 10/24/2013 10:02:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Old Yeller

Why do you keep repeating these untruths?


34 posted on 10/24/2013 10:05:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: qam1; Morgana
How about people of such limited intellect that they can't understand simple rules without jabbering about possible exceptions?

They're obviously hopelessly IQ deficient to the point that they there's a high probability their offspring will be morons so are they an exception?

35 posted on 10/24/2013 10:21:47 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

“I prefer to do my own family planning.”

Yeah, just leave the Creator out of it, right?


36 posted on 10/24/2013 10:34:49 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: count-your-change

“Annulment: Another name for Catholic divorce.”

If that was the case then some couples would never get turned down when they go through an annulment process - but they do.


37 posted on 10/24/2013 10:35:54 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Biggirl

Open to children does not mean fertile. It means you are willing to have children (as opposed to able to have them). You may not be able, but are you intentionally contracepting to minimize the possibility?

From the CIC:

QUOTE

Can. 1084 §1. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.

§2. If the impediment of impotence is doubtful, whether by a doubt about the law or a doubt about a fact, a marriage must not be impeded nor, while the doubt remains, declared null.

§3. Sterility neither prohibits nor nullifies marriage, without prejudice to the prescript of can. 1098.

Can. 1098 A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by malice, perpetrated to obtain consent, concerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life.

END QUOTE

So, while impotence (the inability to have sex) is an impediment, infertility is not, unless one of the partners intentionally deceives the other.


38 posted on 10/24/2013 11:03:26 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

So even if one cannot have children, both the man and the woman getting married, if they are advanced in years, the same question must be asked of them in the ceremony of marriage regardless the two persons are past childbearing?


39 posted on 10/24/2013 11:18:46 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

” So even if one cannot have children, both the man and the woman getting married, if they are advanced in years, the same question must be asked of them in the ceremony of marriage regardless the two persons are past childbearing?”

Are the old couple going to contracept?

If the answer its “yes”, then I would say they are not open to children.

Although an extraordinarily slim chance, if, hypothetically, the old woman was to get pregnant, would they welcome the child? Or would they think that she’d get an abortion? If the answer is “yes”, then they are not open to children.

Otherwise, it sounds like they’d be open to the possibility (if God gave them an Abraham/Sarah type surprise)


40 posted on 10/24/2013 11:50:03 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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