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To: Kansas58
The "internal forum" is not applicable to public matters such as marriage.

Internal Forum. Sometimes it is suggested to individuals or couples that they can resolve marital issues concerning a first marriage in the "internal forum." This means essentially in the confessional or in the privacy of their conscience. Someone who is divorced and remarried will be told that they do not have to seek a Decree of Nullity to validate the present marriage, rather being convinced in their own conscience that their first marriage was invalid they can return to the sacraments. This is not, however, the case. Marriage is not a private affair but a social institution, one safeguarded by the Church according to the will of Christ. The Holy See has ruled out the internal forum solution as a valid way of resolving marital validity questions. Such issues must be submitted to the Church's canonical processes (a marriage tribunal).

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/annulment.htm

8 posted on 10/22/2013 2:52:35 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut
There is always a turf battle in ANY institution.
The Catholic Church is NOT immune.
There is pride and envy and egotistical infighting on many fronts in the Church, and this has ALWAYS been the case.
Even Peter and Paul had their fights on doctrine.
We can both post on and on with documents from various sources and authorities.
The fact remains that GOD has the final authority.
The fact remains that God's servants are Earth are imperfect human beings who might make bad decisions in any Marriage Tribunal.
The fact remains that NO Pope, speaking from the Throne of St. Peter, claiming full infallibility, has EVER said that Divorced Catholics could not, under any circumstance, remarry without a Marriage Tribunal.
The fact REMAINS that if a Priests ABSOLVES Catholics, in the Confessional, based on an “internal forum” or “Conscience” decision, that that forgiveness STANDS!

Correct?

Do you claim that the Church has EVER invalidated an absolution granted in the Confessional?

10 posted on 10/22/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BlatherNaut
This is an Illogical statement, and I am free to challenge the logic of any Church authority.
When the Church is OBVIOUSLY conflicted, I must resort to my own conscience.
Yes, Marriage is generally PUBLIC, so what?
Annulment is NOT Public, though it can be an invasion of privacy and provoke the unstable and stir the pot when it is least helpful -— the general public and the Parish members do not get much involved in Annulment “ceremonies” do they?
There is NO “Registry” posted about who has obtained an Annulment is there?
So what business is it of yours?
The fact is, any Catholic who obtains an Annulment is free to NEVER tell anyone of the Annulment, and it is none of YOUR business.
My guess is that some of the busy-body gossips on this thread HAVE born false witness against people in such situations.
YOU NEVER KNOW the status of a previous marriage for sure, as NOBODY is obligated to tell you!
That being the case?
Any Cleric who rests a case on the “public” aspect of marriage, alone, without much more, is making a fool of himself.
23 posted on 10/22/2013 7:38:01 PM PDT by Kansas58
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