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To: BlatherNaut
There is always a turf battle in ANY institution.
The Catholic Church is NOT immune.
There is pride and envy and egotistical infighting on many fronts in the Church, and this has ALWAYS been the case.
Even Peter and Paul had their fights on doctrine.
We can both post on and on with documents from various sources and authorities.
The fact remains that GOD has the final authority.
The fact remains that God's servants are Earth are imperfect human beings who might make bad decisions in any Marriage Tribunal.
The fact remains that NO Pope, speaking from the Throne of St. Peter, claiming full infallibility, has EVER said that Divorced Catholics could not, under any circumstance, remarry without a Marriage Tribunal.
The fact REMAINS that if a Priests ABSOLVES Catholics, in the Confessional, based on an “internal forum” or “Conscience” decision, that that forgiveness STANDS!

Correct?

Do you claim that the Church has EVER invalidated an absolution granted in the Confessional?

10 posted on 10/22/2013 3:16:27 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
Do you claim that the Church has EVER invalidated an absolution granted in the Confessional?

Red herring. Church teaching is clear and unequivocal on this matter. Our Lord established the Catholic Church - the Bride of Christ - to lead us to heaven, "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". Deliberate disobedience to Church teaching is deliberate disobedience to God, and He knows our motivations if we try to do an end run around His teachings (a decision that we will some day have to answer for). It's a struggle to obey teachings we personally find difficult (and sometimes even repugnant) "but with God all things are possible".

St. Pio: "The will of the authorities is the will of God."

14 posted on 10/22/2013 5:24:38 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Kansas58
Priests ABSOLVES Catholics, in the Confessional, based on an “internal forum” or “Conscience” decision, that that forgiveness STANDS!

nope...when a priest forgives your sin in a confessional, it is based on your intention to not commit the same sin over again.....if you continue your sexual relationship with a second wife....you are still in a state of sin.

17 posted on 10/22/2013 5:42:15 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Kansas58
Do you claim that the Church has EVER invalidated an absolution granted in the Confessional?

happens all the time...if you make an invalid confession....ie. no remorse for the sin, no intention to at least attempt to not repeat the sin, for a confession to impress others that you are going to confession, several other situations result in an INVALID confession...

19 posted on 10/22/2013 5:46:34 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Kansas58
The fact remains that GOD has the final authority.

What are we to conclude from this? No one here is God.

The fact remains that God's servants are Earth are imperfect human beings who might make bad decisions in any Marriage Tribunal.

Again, what are we to conclude from this? Aren't we fallible, too? We must abide by church rulings, just as we must abide by the decisions of civil marriage courts. Otherwise we place our individual authority above that of the Church.

The fact remains that NO Pope, speaking from the Throne of St. Peter, claiming full infallibility, has EVER said that Divorced Catholics could not, under any circumstance, remarry without a Marriage Tribunal.

The fact remains that NO Pope, speaking from the Throne of St. Peter, claiming full infallibility, has EVER said that marriage is reserved to one man and one woman. But it's hardly necessary, since that is the Tradition of the Church.

IOW, very few dogmas, and no disciplines that I know of, are promulgated by the pope, invoking his charism of infallibility.

21 posted on 10/22/2013 5:52:26 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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