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To: imardmd1
In this requirement, unhappily, Dr. Stanley has not been able to command these qualities from his family--only demand them, and in this he has failed as yet; therefore he is no longer qualified for this office in the church.

And yet...


Luke 14:26

“If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

179 posted on 10/21/2013 9:42:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
With all respect, I understand and affirm Jesus' ordinance given in Luke 14:26. But one must take care not to misinterpret that passage, and others like it.

The verb here, misehoh, is "to love less"; where its opposite, agapahoh, is "to prefer above"; more precisely: "to sovereignly prefer one over self and others." That is, choosing to be in the Presence of Jesus, obeying His commands, and following His Ways is to be preferred above one's worldly family and even one's old, natural, carnal spirit; else one has no ability to become His disciple.

In this summary, Christ did not direct that one must detest and abandon concern for one's own rational, immortal soul, nor that for one's own biotic mechanical mobility and chemical function, nor does it mean the rejection of a natural emotional beneficial yearning toward one's own spouse, children, parents, and siblings--which is given by and ordered by The Father.

What it does mean is that Christ will not play the role of second fiddle to others, and He must be preeminent in the existence of a true regenerated believer-disciple.

It might be that Mr. Stanley may have persistently allowed his occupational priorities to surmount the preeminence of both his first love (as did the angel/messenger/preacher of the Ephesus church; see Rev. 2:1-5), and of his next-in-eminence love, that for his wife/helpmate (which Adam did not; see Genesis 2:23-24, 3:6 and 1 Timothy 2:14). That certainly would put him at odds with both God, wife, and the rest of mankind, except for spiritual infants wrongly mimicking him.

Spiritual adults will not do so, but will put Christ's concerns (not their own religious works) first, as Paul recommends to his fellow Hebrews (see Heb. 6:9-12)--not those of their favorite pastor, if he has fallen out of grace and obedience and is no longer in The Way.

Eh?

188 posted on 10/21/2013 5:07:50 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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