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Jewish leaders express “shock” over SSPX decision to host Nazi funeral
The Deacon's Bench ^ | October 16, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 10/16/2013 2:33:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: metmom; nd76; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; CynicalBear
It sure doesn't seem that any other sin, no matter how abominable or heinous or depraved, stops them as much as a person converting to Protestantism.

I don't know if you know how true your statement is. My wife became a Christian, my Father in Law became a Christian before he died, my Sister in Law became a Christian, and I keep talking with my Brother in Law. The other relatives don't say to much to us anymore.

41 posted on 10/16/2013 7:52:18 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: metmom; Gamecock
A Catholic can sin all they want as much as they like as long as they live and at the end, just make a confession and the priest will forgive their sins and give them a Catholic funeral and it’s all good.

It's not really all good. The lost soul is just that - lost. They can confess to some priest all they want the act is misdirected. Unlike what their current Pope says there is only one way to the Father and that is through the Son, not Mary, not a priest, not an institution. Faith Alone in Christ Alone is the only way to be saved.

42 posted on 10/16/2013 7:57:04 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: metmom
Can anyone say *hypocrisy*?

Hypocrisy...At its finest...

43 posted on 10/16/2013 8:15:20 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom

Dang, girl, you always take the words right outta my mouth!


44 posted on 10/16/2013 10:50:31 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: metmom

Have you ever noticed how what you say just goes right over most C-heads here?


45 posted on 10/16/2013 10:52:04 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No need to apologize. Misunderstandings occur.

I would submit that anyone with the attitude of *I’m good so I can sin with impunity, God has to forgive me* (Or even God will forgive me), is not really saved. That person is just looking for fire insurance and that not what a relationship with Christ is all about. God will not be used and God will not be mocked.

OTOH, there is a great deal of comfort in the thought of my security, that my own human weakness and frailty, which leads to sin so often, will not condemn me. I’m secure, not because of who I am or what I do, but because of who HE is and what HE’S done.

It allows me the freedom to fail without fear. Perfect love casts out fear.

My confidence in my security in Him is NOT something I take for granted.


46 posted on 10/16/2013 11:21:13 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: wmfights

That was said tongue in cheek.


47 posted on 10/16/2013 11:23:26 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Where is this letter?


48 posted on 10/17/2013 3:41:41 AM PDT by piusv
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To: nd76
Although earlier in his life the Nazi was certainly a manifest sinner, apparently he did not commit the unforgivable sin of final impenitence (”blasphemy of the Holy Ghost”).

But supporting the murder of millions is OK. So I assume that if an abortionist in the U.S. died the the SSPX would jump at the chance to provide them a funeral?

49 posted on 10/17/2013 3:47:38 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: metmom
Hi. This'll be brief, because I'm out for the day prayer-vigiling at the local abortuary.

We run into girls and women who say, "Yeah, definitely abortion is a sin, but Jesus is so merciful. He understands what's happening in my life right now and He loves me, so I know I can do what I need to do and He will forgive me. I'm, like, at peace about this, really I am."

We've even heard this: "I know a baby is a gift from God. But I'm, so not ready, so it's like I'm sending the baby on back to God so he can re-gift it to somebody who's ready. I know my baby forgives me."

"I've been saved since I was 12."

(As she walks across the parking lot to the abortion clinic door.)

It's --- I can't even describe how flabbergasting and soul-sorrowing this is to me, to all of us who pray out there on the street.

Meanwhile, one of our guys, a Presbyterian deacon, sent a letter out to every pastor in Upper East Tennessee and Southwest Virginia --- there are literally well over a thousand of them, this is a heavily Christian part of the country --- asking for prayer support, and got not one response.

And my friend Joe D. and his buddy went visiting pastors, and got the same story over and over:

"God bless you for what you're doing, but we can't get involved. Sure, abortion's terrible, but abortion is not a problem we run into in my church."

Where do they think these girls are all coming from? Manhattan?

Pray for us, metmom.

50 posted on 10/17/2013 4:02:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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To: NYer

Making it illegal to deny the holocaust is such a weird law. Holocaust deniers come off as totally bonkers, might as well let them speak.


51 posted on 10/17/2013 5:46:11 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

In case you didn’t figure it out, the Germans and their allies were not dislodged from Rome until May of 1944.


52 posted on 10/17/2013 5:55:48 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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Rome debates funeral for Nazi war criminal (Roman Vicariate says "No")

Nazi war criminal to get church funeral [from schismatic sect]

53 posted on 10/17/2013 7:14:16 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, Michelle on Chicago)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

They didn’t. Italy was occupied as Mussolini faltered, Rome was under German control until June, 1944.


54 posted on 10/17/2013 7:23:26 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, Michelle on Chicago)
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To: hlmencken3
In case you didn’t figure it out, the Germans and their allies were not dislodged from Rome until May of 1944.

I knew that Rome was declared an open city on June 5, 1944, but Mussolini was taken out almost a year earlier and the people at once took to the streets, celebrating, among other things cutting the Fascist eagle down from Mussolini's balcony. And as I said, Mussolini had been ousted, imprisoned, and rescued and the new Italian government had joined the allies by this date seventy years ago. I had forgotten about the Germans, though, and how far north Rome is. It's just that the idea of a new Allied Italian government caused me to assume Rome was its capital. As I said, I had forgotten about the Germans and how much longer it took to liberate Rome. I regret the error, and thank you for correcting me.

I am especially ashamed of my error because my late father was at Salerno. He never forgot it and mentioned it on Sept. 9 every year.

55 posted on 10/17/2013 7:36:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: SJackson
They didn’t. Italy was occupied as Mussolini faltered, Rome was under German control until June, 1944.

Thank you. I regret the error.

My father was in the Italian campaign, so I am especially ashamed of myself.

56 posted on 10/17/2013 7:38:12 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The famous photo of Mussolini hanging upside down was taken in April 1945 in Milan, not Rome.

The Italian Fascist Party was in Rome when it removed Mussolini, but Nazis took over there very quickly.

The anti-Nazi Italian government was centered far south of Rome under Allied protection.


57 posted on 10/17/2013 7:57:16 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: piusv
Where is this letter?

It is summarized in the fifth paragraph of this article on FR.

58 posted on 10/17/2013 9:33:52 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: hlmencken3
The anti-Nazi Italian government was centered far south of Rome under Allied protection.

Thank you again. I am truly ashamed of myself for not knowing or remembering this.

59 posted on 10/17/2013 9:50:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: CynicalBear
Even the Muslims are better since they are first.

If you were to read the document in context, you would discover that Muslims are "first" AFTER considering:

  1. Catholics
  2. Eastern Orthodox
  3. Other Christians (e.g., Protestants)
  4. Jews
In context, it's saying that Muslims are "first" among theists who aren't in those preceding 4 groups.
60 posted on 10/17/2013 10:58:11 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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