[mlizzy]

It’s not necessarily my thinking that the Church should have followed to the letter what Mary requested, but I have wondered about it. I was mostly interested to hear what your take was on it; if you agreed with the article, etc. Thanks!

[RBStealth]

What do you think about the Pope[s] not definitively following the request of Our Lady, that Russia be consecrated?

The way this is framed to me is that you dont believe the consecration was performed properly. Unless, of course your a news reporter posing a theoretical....However, your no news reporter and this is no interview.

To be more open to you, I think with the mind of the church. Pope JPII and the Vatican and the Magisterium teaches this was done. I think with the mind of the Church or I think that the Church is gravely mistaken or liars. ...I think with the mind of the Church. The consecration was done, its a mere fact.

I'm not looking for debate on this topic but I have a small bit to add:

People say the consecration was not done because of their sense of what 'converted' or 'conversion' means(as in Russia will be converted).

Some people have a preconceived definitive version of conversion in their head that is inviolate. This extends to what they hope to see in a converted Russia, and if they dont see that then Russia hasn't converted, therefore there was no valid consecration.

Fatima occured in 1917. NewAdvent.org has a Catholic Encyclopedia from 1917 listed on its webpage.

Catholic Encyclopedia 1917 "Conversion": http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04347a.htm

The BVM talked of the spreading of the errors of Russia, from these(Communism,Atheism) Russia has been converted and they are on a journey toward the Lord. It is my belief that currently Russia is a more Christian country than the U.S. We the U.S. have been exporting our errors around the world since the 60's,70's: abortion, population control(sterilizaiton, contraception, abortion), anti-humanism, atheism. These are accomplished in tandem with the World Bank, the U.N. and the E.U. Is Russia more sinful today than the U.S....I dont think so! Russia has been getting better, we are getting worse.

Some people also have an incomplete understanding of either consecration or the understanding of silent prayer and its efficiacy is no less than verbal prayer or a verbal consecration.

"Consecrate" is another word in this 1917 Catholic Encyc. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04276a.htm