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Pope consecrates world to immaculate heart of Mary
Radio Vaticana ^ | 10/13/2013

Posted on 10/13/2013 6:13:00 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: mlizzy
and forgive those who dirty your name.

Someone here has "dirtied" her name? Please. Noone has disrespected her in any way. We just don't idolize her, that's all.

21 posted on 10/13/2013 12:27:05 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: al_c
"Don’t mock ... JP2 did this for Russia and communism died there not long after."

I'm sure you're trying to make a point here but it escapes me. Because I'm not in Catholicland don't assume everyone knows what you are talking about.

22 posted on 10/13/2013 12:29:26 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

You don’t use chapter and verse, so what do you care? You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance. I don’t use sacred scripture for a pin ball machine any more, as protestants to the Church are quite willing to do, but I do know my Bible, chapter and verse.

I was where you were. It’s a climb to get serious about the facts, but your “church” is not remotely like the Old Testament pre-figurment of the coming Church. Your adherence to the New Testament priesthood is zero, and your faith stopped cold with the last sentence of the last chapter of the Bible, as if God evaporated, leaving His people with only each other in charge. The Blessed Mother is simply a pedestrian you pop out at Christmas with no appreciation, because you have no clue of Jewish historical context anyway.

It takes a seeker to do his homework. We aren’t gonna do it for you. So, you can stay ions behind the curve, from the fullness of the Church, the faith, and the truth, by your own choice.


23 posted on 10/13/2013 3:33:31 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
"You don’t use chapter and verse, so what do you care?
I don't need a verse to challenge the veracity of the Catholic position that Mary said "yes" to a non-existent request.

"You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance. "
Based on my challenge to your interpretation?

" The Blessed Mother is simply a pedestrian you pop out at Christmas "
I despise plastic nativity scenes.

"because you have no clue of Jewish historical context anyway."
Untrue allegation my accuser of the brethren. I'm in touch with Jewish context. Does that surprise you or make you angry?

24 posted on 10/13/2013 5:12:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

You’re digging again. Happy in the hole? Enjoy.


25 posted on 10/13/2013 5:51:49 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

No chapter and verse? Only baseless accusations for a comeback. Let me guess, you weren’t captain of the debate team were you?


26 posted on 10/13/2013 6:16:49 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Keep in mind most people aren’t Catholics, and so we’re not brainwashed into thinking that kneeling before altars, offering incense, praying to and exalting people up to the throne of heaven, and pleading for her to save you, is something other than worship.
If you knew the beauty of the Catholic faith, you would most likely become a Catholic yourself. Your viewpoint of the faith is misleading. A correct version is spelled out here: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
27 posted on 10/13/2013 6:41:47 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: RitaOK
Reading the mind of other Freepers is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

28 posted on 10/13/2013 6:47:16 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mlizzy

“If you knew the beauty of the Catholic faith, you would most likely become a Catholic yourself. Your viewpoint of the faith is misleading.”


Actually I was a Catholic, and I came out of Babylon some time ago. Nice try anyway, though. If it quacks, it’s a duck. If it kneels before an idol of Mary, it’s a Catholic.


29 posted on 10/13/2013 7:23:27 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

My Lord, your commentary is ugly. Is that what your new faith has taught you?


30 posted on 10/13/2013 7:58:07 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Religion Moderator

The “issue”, here, is anti-Catholic protestants and former Catholics with a grudge, swarming a thread to cast unmerited insults onto Catholics, their faith and practices (of which they are vastly ignorant), got some push back for it instead of hand holding, and I assume shall be permitted to do so without effect.

A testimony experience of a well formed, but former, protestant to a current one is not “mind reading”. It’s a fact.


31 posted on 10/13/2013 7:59:55 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
If the original poster wanted the thread to be restricted to Catholics only, he could have posted it is a "Catholic Caucus." Since he did not, it is "open" by default and all Religion Forum posters are welcome to argue for or against deities, religious authorities, beliefs, etc.

Your post was "making it personal" in this statement:

You clearly worship at the alter of your own interpretation of both chapter and verse, master of your own ignorance.

Discuss the message, not the messenger.
32 posted on 10/13/2013 8:07:27 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: mlizzy

“My Lord, your commentary is ugly. Is that what your new faith has taught you?”


Yes, and praise be to God, that I am as ugly towards your blasphemous practices as I am!


33 posted on 10/13/2013 8:42:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Religion Moderator; markomalley

Thank you for the clarification.

I get the picture.

Posting ANY Catholic news without the “caucus” designation is, obviously, begging for an anti-Catholic attack, like a dog whistle, which leads one to wonder if that isn’t the purpose for posting without the designation.

It’s still a little shocking that one can’t give as good as they get on the subject, given the the colossal ignorance of the attackers and the gravity of the attacks.


34 posted on 10/13/2013 8:50:16 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Yes, and praise be to God, that I am as ugly towards your blasphemous practices as I am!
Do you draw anyone to your current faith via your venom? Do you think it's the proper way to encourage Christianity?
35 posted on 10/13/2013 8:50:17 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

“Do you draw anyone to your current faith via your venom? Do you think it’s the proper way to encourage Christianity?”


Keep in mind that just because the heathen rages, doesn’t mean that we have to be worried about offending their sensibilities. If I’m speaking the truth, it’ll always be called ugly by somebody. All I have to do is obey God, and it is God, not man, who converts the soul.

“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”
(Joh 6:64-65)


36 posted on 10/13/2013 8:57:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: RitaOK
...given the the colossal ignorance of the attackers and the gravity of the attacks
My husband used to help me with defending the faith on some of these threads, but he eventually said, "These people don't want to learn anything; if they did, I'd help them out." Then he suggested I stop wasting my time [in the Religion Forum]. Good advice, and I sometimes heed it. :)

But, yes, I agree, many posters have ignorance that could only be weighed on a truck scale.
37 posted on 10/13/2013 9:04:50 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

The religion forum is no place for a practicing Catholic, I’ve learned that. These people need protected status and apparently they’ve got it.

Outside a caucus thread, a fine bait trap works as well. The whole affair calls for a shower. Nice of you to reply and thank you for it.


38 posted on 10/13/2013 9:36:14 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: markomalley; All
I find this history just more than sheer coincedence if not downright amazing.

Pope John Paul II, "united with all the pastors of the Church in a particular bond whereby we constitute a body and a college," consecrates "the whole world, especially the peoples for which by reason of their situation you have particular love and solicitude." Both the Pope and Sr. Lucia initially seemed uncertain that the consecration has been fulfilled, but shortly thereafter Sr. Lucia tells the papal nuncio to Portugal that the Consecration is fulfilled.

May 13, 1984 One of the largest crowds in Fatima history gathers at the shrine to pray the Rosary for peace.

May 13, 1984 An explosion at the Soviets’ Severomorsk Naval Base destroys two-thirds of all the missiles stockpiled for the Soviets’ Northern Fleet. The blast also destroys workshops needed to maintain the missiles as well as hundreds of scientists and technicians. Western military experts called it the worst naval disaster the Soviet Navy has suffered since WWII.

December 1984 Soviet Defense Minister, mastermind of the invasion plans for Western Europe, suddenly and mysteriously dies.

March 10, 1985 Soviet Chairman Konstantin Chernenko dies

March 11, 1985 Soviet Chairman Mikhail Gorbachev elected

April 26, 1986 Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident

May 12, 1988 An explosion wrecked the only factory that made the rocket motors for the Soviets’ deadly SS 24 long-range missiles, which carry ten nuclear bombs each.

August 29, 1989 Sr. Lucia affirms in correspondence that the consecration "has been accomplished" and that "God will keep His word."

November 9, 1989 Fall of the Berlin Wall

Nov-Dec 1989 Peaceful revolutions in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania

1990 East and West Germany are unified

December 25, 1991 Dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

39 posted on 10/13/2013 10:32:16 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: johngrace

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm


40 posted on 10/13/2013 10:33:00 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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