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1 posted on 10/10/2013 6:04:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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People seldom do what’s right. They do what’s convenient, then repent. [Robert Zimmerman]


2 posted on 10/10/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by Roccus
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Define "good". Jesus does.

"As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.” Mark 10:17-18

4 posted on 10/10/2013 6:18:54 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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Isn’t that the same argument as “Jesus did X. Jesus is a good person. Therefore X is good.”? Is it not the christian philosophy that virtue is doing what God does, and sin is doing what the devil does?


6 posted on 10/10/2013 6:24:52 AM PDT by Driabrin
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There are no “basically good people”. No, not one.


8 posted on 10/10/2013 6:38:29 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Ask most Americans about salvation and the “good person” heresy comes to the front quite quickly—Catholics often add in something about purgatory.

“I don’t know if Joe believed in Christ, but he was a good person, so God wouldn’t send him to Hell. (He may have to just spend some time in purgatory.)”


20 posted on 10/10/2013 7:54:54 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Mahound delenda est)
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This is the root “split” of worldviews.
“basically good” is the humanist worldview,
“inherently sinful” is the Judeo-Christian worldview.


23 posted on 10/10/2013 7:58:07 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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This is the entire crux of liberal versus conservative and probably of every social tension or conflict.

Some believe that men are basically good and with enough laws, rules, threats, love, compassion, etc. etc. that we can create a heaven on earth without God.

Other believe that man is basically no good and that the inevitable fate of mankind will be destruction. There will be no heaven on earth until Christ returns to set the world straight.

25 posted on 10/10/2013 9:20:16 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Y does X. Y is a basically good person. Therefore, X must be okay.

An equivalent argument is:

Y believed in X. Y was an evil person. Therefore, X is evil.

Often used with Hitler or Stalin as Y, atheism or evolution as X.

26 posted on 10/10/2013 9:39:09 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Mi tio es enfermo, pero la carretera es verde!)
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There’s what I call the “Dog-and-a-Picket-Fence” argument. It goes something like this: “I mean, we have a dog and a picket fence.”


28 posted on 10/10/2013 11:05:37 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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The core of the classical curriculum was grammar, logic and rhetoric. Yes, the curriculum of the benighted Middle Ages.

Look how far we’ve come.


29 posted on 10/10/2013 11:17:45 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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Denial of original sin like Pelagius.


32 posted on 10/10/2013 12:58:45 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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Y does X. Y is a basically good person. Therefore, X must be okay.

You certainly see a lot of this mindset in politics, i.e. Y supports liberal policy X. Y is a "conservative" Republican. Therefore X must be OK as long as Y is doing it.

Fortunately, people are starting to wake up from this lazy mode of thinking, i.e. "Y is OK, therefore his policies are always OK."

33 posted on 10/10/2013 1:07:09 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Let's see what "Pope" Francis has to say on the matter: Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good." Yep, modern heresy.
36 posted on 10/10/2013 1:59:42 PM PDT by piusv
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Y does X. Y is a basically good person. Therefore, X must be okay.

Somebody does me.

I'm okay.

Hurray!

-- x

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Seriously, though, when people say some one is "basically good" they don't mean that person is without sin or vices.

They're saying "So far as I see or can tell, so-and-so doesn't seem to be evil or malicious."

And they're not making that claim about humanity as a whole, just about somebody they've personally met or seen.

37 posted on 10/10/2013 2:09:39 PM PDT by x
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