Posted on 10/08/2013 5:24:17 PM PDT by marshmallow
A new exhibition at Tate Britain highlights the scale of destruction to artworks in the Tudor period – a staggering amount of books and music were also destroyed
The slashed and broken medieval images displayed in the new Art Under Attack exhibition at the Tate are a reminder of what we lost in the hundred and fifty years after the Reformation. Even now there is denial about the scale of the erasing of our medieval past. The Tate estimates we lost 90% of our religious art. It was probably even more than that. The destruction was on a scale that far outstrips the modern efforts of Islamist extremists. And it was not only art we lost, but also books and music.
We think of Henry VIII and the destruction of the monasteries, but that was not the end of the destruction, it marked the beginning. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, hailed the reign of his son, the boy king Edward VI, as that of a new Josiah, destroyer of idols. After his coronation an orgy of iconoclasm was launched. In churches rood screens, tombs with their prayers for the dead, and stain glass windows, were smashed. The Elizabethan antiquarian John Stow complained, some of this Christian Taliban “judged every image to be an idol”, so that not only religious art, but even the secular thirteenth century carvings of kings in Ludgate were broken.
Books too were burned on a vast scale. Earlier this year Melvyn Bragg was on TV telling us about William Tyndale during the reign of Henry VIII, and the forces of Catholic conservatism blocking publication of his English bible with its attached Lutheran commentaries. But conservatives were not alone in wishing to suppress books that contained ideas they did not agree with. When the monasteries were suppressed.....
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...
“So by your argument when Obama claims that the Senate is in recess to exercise a recess appointment, that means that they are not both part of the government. After all they have different perogatives, right?”
Your analogy completely fails. The Senate is the Senate of the United States. The President is the President of the United States. They are part of two branches of government - which has three branches in all. You do know that, right? There’s one government of the U.S. The Senate (and the House) represent one branch - the legislative. The President represents another - the executive. There is, however, only one government despite its three branches.
The Church and the English monarchy were not of the same government, nor were they branches of the same government. Thus, your analogy completely fails.
“Or medieval church and state shared government and authority over the people ,”
No. They did not share authority. They both had their own authorities in their own spheres.
“and disputed over what share each should have.”
There were disagreements, but it was universally recognized that there were two separate spheres.
“They were different faces of the same coin.”
Nope.
If you only knew, pax, you’d be just as disgusted.
Never have I seen a group more in need of cleansing and washing in the blood of Christ than Catholics.
The stench reaches all the way to heaven!
*****
I am Catholic.
I was subtly commenting about the lack of civility in your discourse.
As I said, the Temple had restrictions.
Also, God knows human frailty, it is not the art, but what is in the heart.
“Incredibly disgusting and vile! Everything associated with this sick religion including its adherents!”
Again, you can leave the thread anytime you want if you think we’re all so vile. Why don’t you spend some time looking over your insurance policy?
“The whole rotten plague infested group needs to be completely bathed in the Holy Spirit.”
And some Protestants here need to get rid of their hypocrisy - right after they pay that next insurance premium.
“My God, what a stench!”
Yes, Protestant anti-Catholic hypocrisy does stink doesn’t it?
Well, I am not Christ, thank goodness.
They have rejected His love for this godforsaken religion and I can no longer bear the abomination. I have to get away from the stench and the destruction so that I can come back another day.
Keep the faith, union, keep the faith. If I stick around much longer, I will not have any left. They suck you dry and then scavenge your bones. I despise what Satan has done to them and pray that the Lord will lead some of them out.
Good night,
jodyel
“The items in the Temple were specifically commanded by God and made according to his command, which was special revelation, i.e., commanded specifically in that case. There was one Temple commanded by God.”
True, but that changes nothing I said.
“There is no such command by the Lord in the New Testament which commands or even permits artworks, more than mere secular artworks, to serve any salvific purpose for the true believer.”
The Church now builds churches and properly stocks them. Christ sent the Church.
“And of course the prohibition of idolatry is certainly not abrogated in the New Testament.”
Exactly - and we have no idolatry.
No it was not.
prove is a big word, of course I can't prove that a single soul was lost, but common sense would seem to indicate that if Jesus Christ Himself (GOD) established a church on His Apostles, gave instruction that it should be followed, established Sacraments to ensure that manking could live up to His expectations, and gave that church the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, and established, by name, its' first titular leader.....one would be in serious trouble by denying His authority to do so by revolting against it....I wouldn't take the chance.
***The Tate estimates we lost 90% of our religious art. It was probably even more than that.***
Let’s not forget the Iconoclastic period of Constantinople.
http://www.greece.org/romiosini/iconoclastic.html
And Savanarola disliked and had destroyed some religious art, but not all.
Here is another one.
2Ki 18:1
¶Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign.
2Ki 18:4
He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan(”That piece of brass”).
sure it was...there were no other Christian churhes for about 1,600 years (a long time) and then there were only those which revolted against the Catholic church....
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