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To: Fast Moving Angel
OK, that's a good start, and I was to reemphasize that I think transsexual surgery is wrong.

But I press on with the argument. You say God doesn't "mess up," and yet you know that people ARE born with disorders that require surgical and medical intervention, some of it extensive. For instance, babies are born as conjoined twins, and the surgeons have to reconfigure their "God-given" bodies. They can't live happily with their conjoined bodies as given by God. They need to be reengineered, and radically, to give each twin a body they can live with.

Trannies, we might hypothesize, have a similar radical problem. They bodies they were born are out of synch with their minds and emotions, their personalities. They need to be re-engineered to have a body they can live with, so they can be their "best selves." It's just like a baby born with one arm and one stump, will eventually get a prosthetic, maybe even a bionic arm.

Both the psychiatric profession and the gender-specialist surgeons will back them up on this, as well as, increasingly, courts and laws. Isn't it cruel to deny them the help and healing they need?

(Keep in mind I am posing this as a hypothetical question needing a Biblical answer.)

31 posted on 10/06/2013 5:43:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (“I do not understand myself; all that I hate I am become” St. Paul (Romans 7:15).)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Good question, Mrs. D. Maybe the solution lies in the difference between a mental and a physical malady. In the case of conjoined twins, that's a physical issue that surgeons can correct. Same as if a baby has a club foot or the one who was born with a stump instead of an arm - surgery and prosthetics. Physical ailment, physical cure.

But the person who "thinks" s/he was born into the wrong gender body - that's different, that's a mental issue. I don't believe it could be corrected through (physical) surgery because you can't alter physical DNA. If their bodies are out of sync with their minds and emotions, then their minds and emotions have to be re-engineered to fit their existing body, not mutilate their body to fit their minds and emotions. For that reason, I don't think it's any more "cruel" for them to stay in the body in which they were born, than for me to demand to have feathers implanted all over my body because I "think" I was born a bird and I "self-identify" as such.

I'm no theologian (obviously). However, Jesus healed the man with demons - presumably manifesting itself as mental illness - by casting the demons out into a herd of pigs. This is the only Scriptural reference I can think of right now where He dealt with mental illness. So in today's world, the person would be sent to a psychiatrist to cure the illness caused by the mental (figurative) "demons". Any shrink who aids and abets transgenderism is simply pandering to their illness ... same with agreeing that I'm entitled to a feather implant.

Jesus didn't cast out demons from the blind man - He made some mud and put it on his eyes so he could see. Again, physical ailment, physical cure.

Hopefully someone with a better knowledge of the interpretation of Scripture can answer this better than I could ... sorry about that.

34 posted on 10/06/2013 6:55:35 PM PDT by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
They need to be re-engineered to have a body they can live with, so they can be their "best selves."

I don't know that it's a Biblical argument, but the rebuttal to this is easy. They don't "need to be re-engineered" in the body; they need to have their heads reset. They are mentally ill, and the healing professions can treat these types of mental illnesses. Then, and only then, living within the reality of their sex, can they be their "best selves." Anything else is a distortion, living a lie.

Oh, and odds are, they weren't "born" messed up. They were groomed that way through some mistake their parents made, or some other aberration.

41 posted on 10/07/2013 3:46:37 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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