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To: aMorePerfectUnion
It has ALWAYS been a body of visible and invisible people.

Jesus said, "If he will not listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."

Jesus could have said, "If he will not listen to Me," but He didn't. He directed his followers to "the church," to settle disagreements.

Several logical conclusions necessarily follow.

- There is ONE Church, since Christ refers to "the church."
- The Church teaches with the same authority as Jesus, since Jesus could have directed people to Him, to settle disagreements.
- This Church is VISIBLE, since it is impossible to "take" disagreements to an invisible church.

If we correlate these logically necessary conclusions with other passages in Scripture, we must conclude that this Church is Christ's Church, the Church which "the gates of hell" would not prevail against.

If Christ instituted a visible Church, against which the gates of hell would not prevail, then Christ's visible Church must exist today, and must trace Its origin to Christ.

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant." --Cardinal Newman.

1,744 posted on 10/11/2013 2:36:42 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Several logical conclusions necessarily follow.

- There is ONE Church, since Christ refers to “the church.”
- The Church teaches with the same authority as Jesus, since Jesus could have directed people to Him, to settle disagreements.
- This Church is VISIBLE, since it is impossible to “take” disagreements to an invisible church.

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Your conclusions are faulty, FRiend.

That every gathering - and Paul was writing to a LOCAL gathering - has leadership that the members are to respect and obey is true.
You will have difficulty proving that the local gathering was the one universal gathering. It was a local expression of the universal Body of Christ.
PART of the gathering is visible.

Your logical fallacy is substituting part for the whole.


1,745 posted on 10/11/2013 2:40:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” —Cardinal Newman.

God has no grandchildren. Only children.


1,746 posted on 10/11/2013 2:41:18 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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