[Iscool]

How can any passage in the Bible refer to the Bible (in Greek, "Biblia," literally, "Books") as a whole, since the collection of books that comprise the Bible wasn't determined until long after the passages in the Bible were written?

We can do as you do and consult with the fallible Catholic Church, or we can consult with the word of God, the scriptures...

We already know your religion's position so let's check the bible...

Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

That settles it for the Old Testament...Everyone knows what the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms are...

Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Old Testament bible history starts at Genesis and ends at the end of Zacharia...

Heb_10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Cut and dried...Jesus determined the canon of the OT long, long before there was a Catholic religion...

New Testament???

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Jews have never accepted any Catholic material as being scripture...And God certainly did not wait for 400 years for some apostate religion to decide what was His scripture...

Genesis is the beginning...Revelation is the end...John the apostle ends it up with

Rev_22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

The bible's got it covered...

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

We can do as you do and consult with the fallible Catholic Church, or we can consult with the word of God, the scriptures...

Which Bible is the true Bible, Luther's Bible, the Catholic Bible, or the Orthodox Bible?

Do you understand that it's impossible to consult any Bible for the answer? The answer depends on an extra-biblical authority. It's simple logic.

If there exists no Authority, no "pillar and foundation of truth," to determine the canon of Scripture, then one is left with, as R.C. Sproul once said, "a fallible collection of infallible books."

I'll say one thing for R.C., he was somewhat logical.