Has the Pope Taken His First Steps into Last Days Apostasy?

American Prophet ^ | September 24, 2013 | Rev. Michael Bresciani

[BeadCounter]

Seems protestants or rather most Fundamentalists find the notion of Luke 1:48, “all generations will call me blessed” as silly. In turn, many may then say “but we do” but it certainly appears disingenuous.

[SumProVita]

“He pointed out that the catholic church didn’t even come into existence for several hundred years... “

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The combination ‘the Catholic Church’ (he katholike ekklesia) is found for the first time in the letter of St. Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans, written about the year 110.

[jodyel]

The Holy Spirit will not indwell and seal believers as He does now in the Church Age...but He will come upon them as He did in Old Testament times and minister to believers. But believers in the tribulation will be tasked with keeping their faith. It is not guaranteed as ours is now. The following sites can give more insight.

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/the-holy-spirit-and-the-tribulation

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/in-the-tribulation-who-are-sealed/

Dr. Thomas Ice of the Pre-Trib.org website is the executive director and a list of his articles is here:

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/ttcol.html

http://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/prophecy/understanding-the-olivet-discourse-parables/

Here is the difference, AFPC: Catholics are not Christians and as such fall under the same admonition from Christ for evangelization that unbelievers outside the Catholic church do. No difference. They have not been born again of the Spirit and filled with the Spirit. So I am under no obligation except to proclaim the Gospel to them as I would to a Muslim, a Hindu, a Mormon, or anyone else in a false religion.

Catholics are professing Christians, or Christians in Name Only. You may think that I am harsh and so may many others here but where matters of an eternal soul are concerned, I will be as harsh as I need be to wake people up, stop appeasing their false doctrine, and bring them out of that abomination that is leading them all to Hell.

The only allegiance I have is to the Lord. Time is short and you can either pussyfoot around so as not to hurt their feelings or you can stand up for Christ and display righteous anger over their unsaved status.

Thanks for your post,
jodyel

[WXRGina]

Jodyel, the good thing to remember is that whether one believes in “pre,” “mid” or “post-tribulation” “rapture” (a word not found in the Bible), it is not a make-or-break salvation issue. All who call on the name of Jesus will be saved.

As you may know, the idea that Jesus is going to secretly come back for His church before His second coming is a new “doctrine,” only created in the 19th century. There are plenty of scriptures that debunk it, as you likely know.

But, as I said, no one is “going to hell” for thinking the Lord is coming back at any certain time. It’s just that it may very well rock the foundation of “pre-trib rapture” believers if they find themselves in the middle of the great tribulation and wonder why they weren’t snatched away. It could really shake one’s faith.

[jodyel]

True for believers, but not in the case of Catholics.

And that is who my post was meant for.

Not sure where that 19th century theory comes from but we can leave it for another time.

And I am so angry that they are so deceived I can hold back no longer.

Thanks, WXRGina.

[SumProVita]

When Pope Francis has turned the Catholic Church down the path of liberation theology and social justice. Liberation Theology has as its roots, Marxism. Pope Francis is leading the Church into the realm of heresy and apostasy.

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Actually, Francis has preached about the problem of liberation being rooted in Marxism, and that, because of that and its twisting of the The Gospel, that it must never be accepted. He has been quite vocal about this....which earned him the wrath of several of his dissident Jesuit brothers in Latin America.

[jodyel]

Would your rather I sit back and appease him in his folly?

Sorry, but that won’t happen.

These people are perishing and I am sick and tired of this kinder, gentler nonsense that says we have to not say it like it is.

The whole thing is personal, it is a personal relationship with Christ...what part of it is not personal? We server a PERSONAL GOD!!!

[SumProVita]

Catholics are professing Christians, or Christians in Name Only.

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I think you mean well, but you are not correct about this. Though there are some Catholics who are so in name only (just as there are others who identify themselves as Christians but do not live that actively), there are also many who have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and know Him to be their Savior.

Those who DO have this intimate relationship with the Savior should be working together to help others to see the power of the Good News. Now THAT would be a great witness!

;-)

[WXRGina]

Oh, I’m very much with you there, Jodyel, and the vicious hostility many of them exhibit when their beliefs are challenged is quite “impressive.”

The “pre-tribulation rapture” theory is credited to John Darby in the 1830s. An Internet search of his name and “rapture” will bring plenty of results, like: http://ichthys.com/mail-pre-Trib%20rapture%20origin%20and%20danger.htm

and: http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

Thanks, Jodyel!

[Salvation]

But the Catholic Church existed from the time of Christ when he founded it on the Apostles, the first Bishops.

[SumProVita]

Yes, I was referring to written historical evidence.

[Religion Moderator]

Notwithstanding your beliefs, on this Religion Forum the guideline is to "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

The reason such posts get pulled, e.g. your #78, or posters warned is that ad hominems in religious debate often provoke more of the same in reply and quickly spiral into flame wars which ruin the forum for everyone else.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Thank you.

[Syncro]

the earliest Christians soon (in the first century) became known as Catholic (Universal)

No, they were catholic, universal.

The capital "c" was added later so some could claim that the only Christians at the time Jesus walked the earth were Catholics, when in fact they were Christians.

say thanks to the Catholics!!

The scriptures come from God, not "Catholics."

Christians thank God, Catholics thank Catholics.

Believe in what you wish, but attempting to change Christians from following God to following a "Pope" (or your misrepresentations lol) is folly.

[smvoice]

What’s a forum without rodeo clowns? We all need to laugh every once in a while. Otherwise, it’s just “suit ‘em up, bring ‘em in, and watch the mayhem unfold”. Much like the Roman Forum of old. We even have the “thumbs up, thumbs down” audience participation scenes. Why not let loose the hounds of horrific humor and see where it takes us...:)

:)

[Alamo-Girl]

You two might find the etymology of the word interesting.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragement, dear Nervous Tick, and for sharing your views!

[Syncro]

Are you brainwashed by Catholic haters?

Assuming that your statements infers that there are posters here that post hate towards Catholics (re individual posters who are Catholic) that is not possible, as they would be kicked out of the RF and FR also if that attitude is kept up. That's been my experience of observations.

Also, Catholics that post hate towards Christians are also restricted from posting.

Just a little clarity here.

If you have ever followed any of the Mormon threads on FR, you will see that many Mormons were banned for hating Christians for the mere act of posting truths about their false un Godly belief system

[wolfman]

Sounds like he’s speeding along the RCC’s end times, ecumenism role. Get rid of God’s Word, and what’s left? Man’s ideas and traditions, doing whatever is right in his own eyes.