Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
Reuters and other news agencies are reporting that the Pope has capitulated on several issues such as homosexuality, abortion and contraception.
The Pope’s remarks were taken from a 12,000 word interview with the Jesuit periodical, Civilta Cattolica, (Catholic Civilization) the most prominent statement reaching news agencies is his declaration that the church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and homosexuality.
The Pope has pleased the liberal factions of the Catholic Church and sickened and worried the conservative members of the church.
Few have reported on the prophetic implications of the Pope’s remarks and with some exceptions, such as those made by Evangelist Bill Keller, most protestant news outlets remain free of op-eds or theological treatment of the Pope’s interview, at the moment.
Biblical Theology and Catholic Teachings – Always at Odds
Hundreds of traditional or patristic teachings of Catholicism are either in direct conflict with the bible or do not exist in the scriptures at all.
The list of theological discrepancies has been addressed repeatedly for centuries and there would be little room to cover them all in one short article.
What we must point out is that on two very important levels, those who stand on scripture can’t ever recognize the authority of the Pope – it has never been a matter of whether they like him or not, nor is it a matter of personal choosing.
First, Because of the Greek rendering of Matthew 16: 18, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” Protestants believe that Christ was referring to himself as the Rock, not Peter. This is supported by other scriptural passages, to wit:
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (Mt 16: 18b)
Secondly, not one word in the bible speaks of ‘apostolic succession.’ It is a concoction of the Roman church, not a biblical teaching. It is very difficult even to support the teaching in view of the fact that there was no Catholic church for over 300 years after Christ came into the world. Most Catholics are totally unaware of this fact. They have been told they are the ‘first church,’ but true history betrays them.
Simply because these facts cannot keep the childlike faith of any Catholic from reaching the Savior does not justify or verify the truth of Catholicism’s origins. It is simply a matter of Catholics being saved or redeemed not because of their religion – but in spite of it!
The Real and Present Danger in the Discrepancies between the Papacy and the Bible
Gentle, but firm, is the only way to approach addressing the errors of Catholicism at the same time knowing that millions of Catholics are of the family of faith simply because Jesus said “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (Jn 6: 37)
Yet, it is more than an item of curiosity or some minor theological difference; it is a dire sense of urgency and concern, especially in the last days, that causes anyone who knows scripture to make fair warning.
I have repeated this warning so often that I think my publishers may think I’ve run out of new things to say. I’ll take that chance, as opposed to risking a confrontation with my Savior for not making it as abundantly clear as possible, while there is still time.
What warning you ask!
Any religion, Catholic or other, that derives its ultimate authority from a man is subject to heresy, apostasy and error depending on the personality, the current state of mind or the evolvement of personal ideologies in that man.
Faith based solely on the scriptures, the written accounts of Christ’s teaching and his Apostles and biblical prophets cannot be altered, changed or disputed until the very last day of time. God intended this; it is his way of grounding us on a rock instead of the sinking sands of a changing and unstable world, to wit:
“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.” (Mt 7: 24, 25)
Christ relegated his authority to his Apostles and their teachings too are on the same level as his. They were not mere scribes or interpreters of his will they were Holy Spirit inspired and authorized to speak as final authorities.
“He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10: 16)
Finally, since we will not be judged by what other men say – why would we waste time or risk being found in total error. Why not go to the source of truth and take Christ’s warning seriously?
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (Jn 12: 48)
So what did the Apostles really say about abortion, homosexuality and issues of the day?
The prophetic part of the bible contradicts the Pope’s assertion that believers are obsessed with homosexuality and abortion. In fact it warns that in the last days it is possession (demonic) that will fuel the slide into apostasy the world over.
Political correctness, floundering Pontiff’s and general acceptance of everything the bible condemns, is proof immutable, that the NWO, apostasy and the emergence of the Antichrist are well on track for the very near future. ‘Just don’t talk about it’ is the advice of fools. If the only choices are between obsession and possession it’s pretty much a no brainer.
Not only is homosexuality referred to as an abomination, to be noted, rebuked and refused as part of the church, but immoral behaviors were cause for people to be put out of the church and not allowed back in until they had fully repented. (1Co 5: 1-7) Should the perversion of same sex acts and marriage be an exception?
The idea of the Pope suggesting that we are over-talking the subject of abortions reaches to the heights of apostasy. The only voices the over two hundred million aborted babies worldwide have - is ours. Telling us to be silent is the moral equivalent of blasphemy.
After the Sandy Hook massacre of innocent children the liberals went after guns with a vengeance. Doesn’t it seem hypocritical that after 60,000,000 abortions in the U.S. and 160,000,000 abortions worldwide that telling us to pipe down is the only thing the Pope can think of to say? We will never be silent, or to borrow a phrase, you can pry my anti-abortion argument from my cold dead lips, but no other way.
The Folly of Following the Fallen
Has the Pope taken his first steps into the last day’s (apostasy) falling away? We can only hope he has not, but if this is the beginning of it, it is also the end of everything as we have known it.
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.” (2 Th 2: 3)
I do indeed remember it, however you will notice that the statement was in italics which means that I was repeating your statement... I went on to say, however that god chose some men to interpret better than others....if you put 100 people in a room, give them a scripture to interpret, do you really think that all, even though all are Christians, will come up with identical interpretations.....I'd think not.
I, and most Christians rely on help from those taught to interpret scripture, they and others before them devote their lives to studying the bible and its writings...Catholics wrote the new testament and it is a wise choice to allow them to interpret it. God used mankind to bring forth His message, to write it and interpret it so that all could understand it. To suppose that you are as capable as the learned men of church history to do so is arrogant at best.
Oh it does? Since when?
See post #336 where apparently you are saying that all the italicized words were mine?
Never would I say those first few "groups" of words, they are completely false and are just the made up ideas of men.
Remember, "Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men."
I am a Christian, not a Catholic.
now you are stooping to the mechanics and their useage in FR....low blow, if I , or you, make a typo or an error in posting, it changes nothing....I am right and you are wrong....that's a fact, I am Catholic and you are some denomination...too bad....so sad.
Again, you have posted your words mixed with mine in italic after stating that you use italics ONLY to quote another poster, not yourself.
The infantile excuses and arrogance of Catholic posters who post false quotes and follow the teachings of men instead of God is appalling.
The real low bow is stating a rule used and violating it and then blaming it on another poster.
Catholics that stay on the pabulum of the Word of God and follow the false teachings of men instead of the Word of God are missing the awesome relationship with God that is offered to Christians.
Your quote, the most awesome post I have seen by a Catholic on FR:
Christians allow ONLY the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, Catholics use men.
The Truth of Scriptures and the Holy Spirit helping others post that Truth is really cool.
Again, I strongly object to quotes attributed to me containing Catholic talking points of men which I do not follow.
Read your Bible and you will see that the Apostles referred to all Christians at the time (they were NOT Catholics as claimed in Catholic rewritten history) as saints, any denomination (Catholicism being the first denomination of Christianity which was countered by born again Christian followers of Jesus) that raises up only a few as "saints" who then dress and act like Pharisees does not understand the simple faith taught by Jesus.
May God bless you with teachings grounded in the Word through the Holy Spirit.
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A false and directly personal attack and mind reading which is not allowed on the Religion forum. I will not report it as it should stand to show the difference between Christians and the arrogance of some Catholics.
Ignorance can not be pled as I have declared over and over again that I am not Protestant nor do I follow any denomination, just the Word of God, Jesus.
sorry about saying that you were of a denomination...as an individual interpreter of scripture, you are pretty much on your own....whatever you say....you believe....never mind the 2,000 ywars of learned men and women who have studied scripture endlessly and have come to intelligeng conclusions....many of these people have devoted their entire lives to this end and you seem to feel that you can do it better....maybe you can, who am I to judge, but if I had to bet my spiritual life on it, and I do, I'd stick with fathers of the church..like Aquinas ....
Stop right there. I, as a Christian, allow the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture, not myself and certainly not men as Catholicism does.
I have posted this information to you many times, so please stop thinking you can read my mind and then make false statements about me.
Interesting, after "apologizing" you then make another false statement about me. Kinda like leftist politicians "apologize"
...never mind the 2,000 ywars of learned men and women who have studied scripture endlessly and have come to intelligeng conclusions
Yes, I imagine those that wrote the Catholic version of Christainity did it with their intelligeng. That is an excellent word to describe those that "interpret" for Catholic Church doctrine.
....maybe you can, who am I to judge
Oh like judging that I am a Protestant, that I am an "individual interpreter of scripture" and that I am a member of a denomination etc?
You seem to have no problem judging others, although incorrectly. It's kinda hard to see around that beam, huh?
...if I had to bet my spiritual life on it, and I do, I'd stick with fathers of the church..like Aquinas ....
*Sigh*
Big mistake IMO, they will not lead you to salvation.
Again, I prefer the Biblical approach to understanding what God wants...through the Holy Spirit's interpretation.
I'm amazed that anyone would bet there eternal salvation on mere men. Or anything for that matter. Just WOW.
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