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To: mlizzy; jodyel; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
You’ll run into a good Catholic someday. (I’m convinced most of us do.) There are a few around; and maybe that person will be a beacon of Light, to show you that the Catholic faith (Christ in the Eucharist!) is perfection........

If Catholicism is so wonderful why does it have so little impact on the lives of the vast majority of Catholics that there's a chance that jodyel will run into a "good" Catholic *SOMEDAY*??? There are a *FEW* around? Yeah, I agree with that. A FEW. In spite of Catholicism, not because of it.

Any religion that cannot have more of an impact on the personal, day to day lives of those associated with it, is not worth the time and effort investigating it.

When Catholicism produces the kind of fruits among it's parishioners which FRomoan Catholics claim it does, then maybe people will begin to take it more seriously.

339 posted on 09/17/2013 5:36:44 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; mlizzy
If Catholicism is so wonderful why does it have so little impact on the lives of the vast majority of Catholics that there's a chance that jodyel will run into a "good" Catholic *SOMEDAY*??? There are a *FEW* around? Yeah, I agree with that. A FEW. In spite of Catholicism, not because of it. Any religion that cannot have more of an impact on the personal, day to day lives of those associated with it, is not worth the time and effort investigating it. When Catholicism produces the kind of fruits among it's parishioners which FRomoan Catholics claim it does, then maybe people will begin to take it more seriously.
They may call themselves Catholics, and they may even go to Mass, but when it comes to life choices they are virtually indistinguishable from everyone else in America. They don’t live radical Christianity out in any real sort of way. Their lives look just like the lives of their worldly neighbors. They don’t give any more than the average joe. They seem just as likely to divorce their spouses, have only 2.5 children as their non Catholic neighbors and they seem just as materialistic as everyone else. They attend church if they feel like it, but if there’s a weekend football game or the call of the beach house they’re just as likely to respond to that demand. When it comes to voting, they’ll vote as they wish according to wherever they get their opinions from–TV, the newspaper, the mass media–just like their neighbors. The one source they won’t consider when informing their vote is their priests and bishops.
— from the thread Catholic Vote?

Are Catholics now so “successfully” assimilated into American political life that they are without political impact—that there really is no such thing as a “Catholic vote”? Unfortunately enough, Catholics are largely indistinguishable from non-Catholics and, despite a few pundits, no, there really is no “Catholic vote.” This obvious conclusion—clear enough from the fact that the vote for the winning candidates in the last national election was approximately the same for Catholics and non-Catholics—has serious current implications....

....Compare two lists: According to the USCCB, the five most Catholic states, in population, are: Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Connecticut. According to the American Life League, the states with the most pro-life legislation (i.e., inhibiting abortion in various ways) are: Oklahoma, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Arkansas and Texas. This is a shocker. In short, there is no Catholic political impact in support of life in those states reportedly having the most Catholics. As Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia put it, after the 2008 election, “[w]e need to stop overcounting our numbers, our influence, our institutions, and our resources, because they are not real.”
— from the thread The Mythical Catholic Vote: The Harmful Consequences of Political Assimilation


340 posted on 09/17/2013 6:04:51 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: metmom
If Catholicism is so wonderful why does it have so little impact on the lives of the vast majority of Catholics that there's a chance that jodyel will run into a "good" Catholic *SOMEDAY*??? There are a *FEW* around? Yeah, I agree with that. A FEW....

Any religion that cannot have more of an impact on the personal, day to day lives of those associated with it, is not worth the time and effort investigating it...

This is how the saints can come into play. Most will tell you (through their writings) that without the Eucharist, their quest for holiness [working for Him] would have been impossible (with the tasks and sufferings they had been given in life).

That being said, I do believe that the majority of peoples worldwide have met at least one good [living] Catholic in their lifetime too (and not by happenstance). There have been a number on Free Republic that have influenced me alone. And that's all it really takes to light a fire.

At which point, it's NOT up to the [Catholic] religion to have an impact on the personal, day to day lives of those associated with it IMO, it's up to the parishioner to investigate (remember, sloth is a sin) how that all occurs. Once they have learned the "secret" (which is really no secret at all), the Eucharistic Jesus can be found (and received) there daily! And why would any Christian --in the know-- pass up on the frequent reception of Our Lord?

Yet there are tens of thousands of Sunday-only Catholics that do just that. That's why there is little impact for you to see from the faith (however, there "are" some very alive parishes; they oftentimes are the ones that incorporate Eucharistic Adortion).
341 posted on 09/17/2013 6:56:42 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: metmom
I pray to dead people.


354 posted on 09/17/2013 10:26:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; mlizzy; jodyel; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

I’ve no desire to run into a good Catholic.

I’ve a desire to run into a born-again and Holy Spirit filled Catholic who realizes the folly of Catholicism and goes running out its door straight into the arms of Jesus.

We are not called to be good. Not a one of us is good. We all have evil in us because that is the nature of fallen man. If we were good and could come to God like that, then why the need of a Savior?

There are many “good” people in the world but that is not the standard by which one enters into the kingdom. I think Mother Teresa quite rightly questioned whether her goodness and good works had been enough and was left with serious doubts.


371 posted on 09/17/2013 6:12:18 PM PDT by jodyel
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