Posted on 09/13/2013 8:33:37 AM PDT by marshmallow
Once the symbol of a congregation founded by Robert Schuller, the cathedral is now part of a church with rites and traditions that span centuries.
Towering like the Emerald City, the cathedral formerly known as Crystal sits at what might be Orange County's nucleus, a trinity of confluencing freeways, the Angels and Ducks stadium and a glimpse of a sacred place of a different kind — Disneyland
From that gleaming sanctuary, evangelist Robert Schuller delivered sermons that were beamed to television sets around the world. His ministry became synonymous with the megachurch, designed so the light and the breeze could stream through, a grand replica of his humble beginnings preaching on the roof of an Orange drive-in's snack shop.
The Crystal Cathedral was to Schuller what Graceland was to Elvis. Now it has been bought by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange, which has long coveted having a cathedral that sat at the center of its vast footprint of 1.2 million Catholics.
The name has already been changed to the Christ Cathedral. But the work of liturgical consultants, priests and architects to transform a temple so closely identified as a symbol of Schuller's sunny, uniquely Southern Californian theology into one that conforms to the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church has just begun.
"The exterior will always be the Crystal Cathedral, at least for a while," said Duncan Stroik, a professor of architecture at Notre Dame and editor of the publication Sacred Architecture Journal. "Catholic on the inside, but kind of Protestant on the outside."
Those who have taken on the project recognize that their assignment is a intimidating one, but they also have faith:
They can turn the Crystal Cathedral into the Christ Cathedral.
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Where did Peter get his information in order to confer with Paul and Barnabas? Acts, Chapter 10. By DIRECT REVELATION IN A VISION FROM CHRIST. And BTW, Paul was saved in Acts, Chapter 9. So he ALREADY had revelations from the risen Christ. This is how Peter knew that Paul’s authority was from God. And this is how Paul was able to withstand Peter to his face (Gal. 2:11). REVELATIONS FROM THE RISEN CHRIST. NOT some written source.
The word “Mass” is an English word. It would not be in the scriptures. however, In the Acts of the Apostles there is a segment which describes how the early followers of Jesus would gather together to share the stories of Jesus and then they would have the breaking of the bread.
That is what Catholics do every Sunday and often during the week as well. We gather together, read psalms, epistles, old testament readings, and the gospel for the day; and have a homily. After that we have the consecration/breaking of the bread.
We don't realize how blessed we are. The material wealth of even our poor often exceeds that of the very wealthy a couple hundred years ago.
ROFL........
So a human authority produced the Scriptures which then superceded the authority which produced them?
Got it.
“So a human authority produced the Scriptures which then superceded the authority which produced them?”
Human was moved by God to write what He wanted written. 12 foundational humans who were the Apostles died. God’s Word endures. God ALWAYS supercedes his messengers.
wrong again Kemosabe....the Catholic curch is the only true and complete Christian church on earth....the term denomination kind of separates the various groups that split from the true church. All of the denominations have something in common....they are Christian and incomplete.
The rules didn't change when the NT was written and the Apostles died. In fact, the NT itself tells you how the church is to be governed: by "overseers" (Greek "episcopoi," from which we get the English word "bishop") appointed by the Apostles and ordained by the laying-on of hands. (See Paul's letters to Timothy. Timothy was one of the "episcopoi".)
Nothing in the NT indicating that the church is to be governed by every individual believer's personal interpretation of the Scriptures, before or after the deaths of the Apostles.
The practice of ‘selling indulgences’, put very simply, was paying money to a priest or bishop so that certain sins would not be “counted against you”. Essentially, paying money so the church (and supposedly God) would look the other way.
I find that disgusting and completely unBiblical (New Testament).
I think you left out the word 'other' in front of Apostles. I don't think Paul deferred to the 'authority' of the other Apostles as much as he concurred that their viewpoint on 'some matters' were in consonance with the revelation he had received from Christ.
“The rules didn’t change when the NT was written and the Apostles died.
“They’re dead Jim.”
They were the foundation. The house is now built.
“In fact, the NT itself tells you how the church is to be governed: by “overseers” (Greek “episcopoi,” from which we get the English word “bishop”) appointed by the Apostles and ordained by the laying-on of hands. (See Paul’s letters to Timothy. Timothy was one of the “episcopoi”.)”
No more Apostles to lay hands. Their Inspired Epistles remain.
“Nothing in the NT indicating that the church is to be governed by every individual believer’s personal interpretation of the Scriptures, before or after the deaths of the Apostles.”
Indeed! Nor Rome’s!
You may wish to check any Greek lexicon. There is no such word as "church" including the word from Matt. 16:18 you quote. This word, most often translated "church", is εκκλησιαν. If you check the definition it simply means "assembly" or "gathering". Unfortunately, the Roman Catholic Organization needs to have an identity brand and created the English word "church" from a Scottish word "kirk". Of course your English Bible renders it "church", to keep the traditionalists away from the publisher's door.
But, notice (if you have any interest in the truth) that the very same word is used for the "riotous mob" in Ephesus (Acts 19:32). In the case of Rome, this may not be too far off the mark, either.
The biblical definition of church I saw is “Any time 2 or more come together in my name, that is church”
You may want to lay off the Mary pills for a while and take up a Greek lesson. Ping to 112.
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Well, if a "definition" is necessary this is much closer than the Roman monstrosity. But, as I mentioned in P#112, there is no such word as "church". And, in reality, the Greek is very fluid with the use of the term describing assemblies meeting in homes, market places, and river sides. So, you are correct.
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“Instead, Paul and Barnabas returned to Jerusalem and consulted with the “apostles and ancients.” “
Paul himself was an Apostle as can be found in 2 Timothy:
“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,”
Excellent issues. These are matters which probably needs a great deal of discussion. On the one hand, Paul makes it absolutely clear there is no difference between male/female when it comes to being among those chosen before the foundation of the earth. And, many of the the women (read Rom. 16) were commended for their "hard work" with the message of grace. Then, he also makes those remarks in I Tim. 2:11ff about not allowing a woman to teach. I have read discussions about the import of these admonitions, but cannot yet fully grasp the implications.
That being said, if there are no men who understand the Scriptures (the way you do) and do not know the message of grace in Jesus, then you certainly should not hesitate to share what you know.
In another post, you comment on one of the men not liking "church". What he probably does not like is that the Western obsession with organization, ritual, protocol, and buildings which makes him feel that Christianity is a "religion" (thank you Rome). You have busted his mistaken perception wide open and shown him that God is reaching right into hearts and rescuing people in spite of themselves...certainly in spite of organizations.
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