Posted on 09/08/2013 5:55:25 AM PDT by NYer
Catholic ping!
“... an angel holding a flaming sword over the world, shouting “penance, penance, penance”!”
I have made a pilgrimage to Fatima and it is a very moving place. I don’t know how to explain it very well, but it FEELS significant and holy.
That is why Mary specifically asked to be done.
In a quotation written by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict) he says, "Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consecration corresponded to what Our Lady wished “Sim, està feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, desde o dia 25 de Março de 1984”: “Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984”: Letter of 8 November 1989). Hence any further discussion or request is without basis.".
Go back and reread the above article which explains how christianity has grown in Russia since the consecration offered by JPII. If anything, we need prayers now for the Middle East and the west.
Agree.
Interview (Part 1 of 4) starts at 6:30. Background material from 0:00-6:30.
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Garabandal’s Prophecy About Communism
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Jesus, someone mentioned some time ago to me that you will~Jesus, May 28, 1987 True Life in God
give no more signs, You said it to the Pharisees; he said this when I
said that this guidance (message) is from You.Vassula, when I said this to the Pharisees I meant My miracles of
the time I was in flesh and among them; condemning Me now, for it is
to condemn My Heavenly Works, shows how arid and closed their
hearts have become; My signs will never end; My Presence will be felt
in the world and I will continue to show Myself in signs;
believe, believe O men of little faith, do not distort My Word, for
what have you to say about Fatima; are you dreading to believe that I
am the One who gave you this sign? O men of little faith, what would
you not declare rather than accept that Heaven’s signs are from Me!
love my My Works, accept My Works; believe, believe in Me, I, who am
Infinite Wealth and Mercy; My signs are so that all men see that Love
has not forgotten you; Love has not withdrawn and glories in His
Glory; Love is among you, never leaving you;
Ratzinger has lied repeatedly about Fatima and the Secrets.
There are numerous books on Fatima which explain that Sr. Lucia said the consecration was not done properly: Russia only, in union with all the bishops of the world. It has sometimes been done (Russia) without the bishops, the world consecrated in union with the bishops, and various other commbinations, but never exactly as Our Lady requested.
In addition, Pope John XXIII emphatically did not release the Third Secret in 1960 as Sr. Lucia said Our Lady requested. He claimed the Secret was “not for our time.”
There is a lot of mis-information out there about Fatima. The bottom line is that Our Lady said that after the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart, there would be a period of peace. I don’t see peace anywhere!
Russia’s Errors = Communism. Communism has spread throughout the world and it is now infecting our own country. This should be proof enough that the Consecration hasn’t been done properly.
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Papal Visit to Portugal: Apparitions of Our Lady [of Fatima]
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Our Lady of Fatima, May 13
The history of all approved apparitions shows that the Church requires unequivocal evidence of supernaturality. This can be cures, as at Lourdes and Beauraing, or a supernatural prodigy, as at Fátima. The reason from the Church's mystical theology is that most mysticism (as both St. Thomas Aquinas and St. John of the Cross teach) is mediated by the angels (who have a created angelic nature). What the good angels can do the bad angels can imitate, so that many so-called "supernatural" phenomena are merely preternatural (above human nature, but not above the angelic nature). At Garabandal this would include the ecstasies, the ecstatic walks, the returning of rosaries and medals to the proper owners and so on. None of these things, much less the miraculous photos, rosaries turning gold etc. of more recent alleged apparitions, proves anything to the Church about the divine origin of a phenomena. In the absence of some clear supernatural proof neither the local bishop or Rome is likely to approve an apparition.While two commissions convened by bishops of Santander, Spain, have stated that there were no phenomena which would authentic the events as certainly supernatural they did not condemn the message. In this regard, the first commission stated, "we have not found anything deserving of ecclesiastical censure or condemnation either in the doctrine or in the spiritual recommendations that have been published as having been addressed to the faithful." The bishop who called the second commission, Bishop del Val, upon retiring from office stated in an interview that the message of Garabandal was "important" and "theologically correct." Indeed, some of the prophetic elements of the message can be found in private revelations which have been approved since the initial decision on Garabandal in the 1960s. For example, the concept of a worldwide warning can be found in the Diary of Saint Faustina (Diary n.83), and both the message of Divine Mercy given to her (Diary n.1588), and that of Akita (approved by the local bishop), speak of chastisement if mankind does not ultimately repent. Similar prophetic content can be found in the writings of Elizabeth Canori-Mora and Mary of Jesus Crucified, both of whom were beatified by Pope John Paul II, as well as in prophecies given by God to Blessed Anna Maria Taigi and St. Caspar del Bufalo. Finally, the principal promoter of Garabandal, Joey Lomangino, testifies that it was Saint Padre Pio who told him the Blessed Virgin was appearing at Garabandal and he should go.
It seems, therefore, that notwithstanding the decisions of two commissions accepted by the bishops of Santander, that there are reasonable grounds for individual Catholics to find Garabandal credible. The children themselves predicted that the message of Garabandal would be approved with difficulty, but in sufficient time to spread it. Perhaps this means that the "warning" (a clearly supernatural event) must occur first for approval to be given. Given the seriousness of the times we do well to heed the message of conversion, whether proposed by Fátima or some other source such as Garabandal, Medjugorje or another, without fear, that is, with complete confidence in God's providence for us and the world. The future will take care of itself if we remain spiritually prepared for anything. This has always been the advice of the saints, anyway.
Answered by Colin B. Donovan, STL
There is always the possibility that authentic phenomena can be mixed in with demonic tricks and illusions. These non-approved apparitions are like minefields for ordinary Catholics.
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?”
Matthew 7:1-5
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. “Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure—pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return.”
Luke 6: 37-42
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?”
James 4: 11-12
We all need to remember this.
Don’t turn a blind eye to evil, either. IMHO, permitting by silent assent a pope to be used to advance the devil’s agenda (misleading people about Fatima’s message) is worse than of what you speak.
The scriptural passages you quote were used by the “non-judgmental” generation to wreak havoc upon children raised during that period and it’s still going on today. That’s why, for example, gay coupling is seen as a fairness issue and not a moral issue by most of the young. They were told “Don’t be judgmental”, because there isn’t any such thing as absolute morality anyway.
I don’t know if I really believe that Pope Benedict lied, or it was more a matter of being used as a “tool”. Thus I really can’t judge the matter anyway. But I have no compunction about condemning the clearly evil forces in our world and neither should you.
Are you suggesting that Sr. Lucia also lied?
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