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I accept your points and reject your posture. Catholic Church is none of your business, just as the 7-th Day Adventist theology is none of mine, but like the theology of Jim Jones and others I mentioned is closer to yours, and you and your brethren ought to debate it, and all those other 35,000 sectrs, in my opinion. It is all internal matter of you opponents of Rome, and your arguments with those Harold Campings, who are heroes on television and inside various tents and stadiums until their first big scandal. Then you deny they’re yours.

The Catholic Church, which I don’t promote, despite your insinuation, doesn’t need me, and doesn’t need you.

Fleas biting at a giant.

Finally, about the Communists, who for a century and a half have defined themselves by those they hated, the church (small ‘c’) of capitalism and imperialism, using as their bible Marx’s Das Capital as the holy scripture, with its historical myths, and yes, its prophesies of imminent doomsday and judgment day.

Catholic Church is none of your business, just as the 7-th Day Adventist theology is none of mine, but like the theology of Jim Jones and others I mentioned is closer to yours, and you and your brethren ought to debate it, and all those other 35,000 sectrs, in my opinion. It is all internal matter of you opponents of Rome, and your arguments with those Harold Campings,

Actually you reject my points and again resort to arguments by assertion in atteting to deal with them. But even with your broadbrush, it remains the men like Jim Jone and Harold Camping acted like popes, as if they were infallible, and like Rome in history, excluded those who examined their claims and rejected them.

In contrast, while rightly seeing claims of assured infallibility, as per Rome, as being unScriptural, Westminster upholds that,

It belongs to synods and councils, ministerially to determine controversies of faith, and cases of conscience; to set down rules and directions for the better ordering of the public worship of God, and government of his Church; to receive complaints in cases of maladministration, and authoritatively to determine the same; which decrees and determinations, if consonant to the Word of God, are to be received with reverence and submission; not only for their agreement with the Word, but also for the power whereby they are made, as being an ordinance of God appointed thereunto in His Word. — http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/wcf.htm

But the pope reigns above deposition by such, and as an individual claims assured if conditional infallibility.

The Catholic Church, which I don’t promote, despite your insinuation, doesn’t need me, and doesn’t need you.

I see, and sorry to assume, but as you example in broadbrushing based upon a non-distinctive commonality, it easy to assume that your were defending those who promote Rome .

Finally, about the Communists, who for a century and a half have defined themselves by those they hated,

"Defined themselves by those they hated?" Ever read Trent with its almost 140 anathemas? It fits your description quite well.

the church (small ‘c’) of capitalism and imperialism, using as their bible Marx’s Das Capital as the holy scripture, with its historical myths, and yes, its prophesies of imminent doomsday and judgment day.

So you are an anti-capitalist atheist/agnostic or similar non-Christian? Meanwhile, it is Roman Catholicism that is supremely guilty of imperialism, and sanctions teaching that many historical accounts are myths, but which they are not, nor will its prophesies of doomsday and judgment day fail.

...the Catholic Church is none of your business, just as the 7-th Day Adventist theology is none of mine...

Au contraire; mon ami!

Acts 17:18-19
18. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
19. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

Romans 16:17
I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

1 Corinthians 11:2
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.

Ephesians 4:14-15
14. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
15. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

1 Timothy 1:7
They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

1 Timothy 2:7
And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

1 Timothy 4:11
Command and teach these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

2 Timothy 1:13
What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Titus 2:1
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Titus 2:15
These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

2 John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

Also, re,

Catholic Church is none of your business,

It is indeed when posting on a public forum, and claiming universal supremacy and jurisdiction, and to state it is no ones business is consistent with its arrogance which calls for examination and rebuke. The Pharisees also thought they were above this.

Fleas biting at a giant.

"For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. " (Ecclesiastes 9:4)

Catholic Church is none of your business, just as the 7-th Day Adventist theology is none of mine, but like the theology of Jim Jones and others I mentioned is closer to yours, and you and your brethren ought to debate it, and all those other 35,000 sectrs, in my opinion.

Then keep it in the bedroom....

Er, if Catholics going to push it in everyone else's face, they've made it everyone else's business.

Since they've made it everyone else's business, everyone else has a right to comment on it s they see fit.

It is all internal matter of you opponents of Rome, and your arguments with those Harold Campings, who are heroes on television and inside various tents and stadiums until their first big scandal. Then you deny they’re yours.

No different than Catholics denying that the Pelosi's, Kennedy's, Kerry's et al are theirs. It works both ways.

The Catholic Church, which I don’t promote, despite your insinuation, doesn’t need me, and doesn’t need you.

Then it needs to stop counting me to claim 1.2 billion strong and Catholics need to stop telling me that *Once a Catholic, always a Catholic* and that baptism *leaves an indelible mark on my soul*.

FR is an open forum. If they want to contend for their faith, I will contend for Jesus. And if in that, Scripture proves them wrong, well they don't have to like it. But someday they will have to live with it.