Posted on 09/06/2013 11:32:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan said Thursday that one of the biggest problems facing the Roman Catholic Church is the number of people who identify as former Catholics, including many who left because of the 'sinful' behavior of clergy and other Church members.
Dolan, the former Milwaukee archbishop, made the comments during his first appearance in the city since the archdiocese released the personnel files of 42 priests with substantiated allegations of child sexual abuse against them in July.
Dolan didn't explicitly mention abuse, but he acknowledged that some Catholics who left the church because "they have been shocked, saddened and nauseated by the sinful behavior" of some of its members. He said Catholics should not hide from that.
"It's not a bad idea to fess up to the sinful side of the Church," Dolan said.
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Well, most nuns were not Ingrid Bergman, but I know almost no one who went to parochial had such an experience. Besides, you have to put matters into a frame of reference. Because they went to Catholic schools, they did not go to public schools, and in public schools corporal punishment was pretty much the norm as late as the early sixties. It was not unknown unusual for boys to be beaten by men teachers with their fists.
I lived in the Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia. More than half the children in the neighborhood were Protestant and my close friends. None ever told me about any abuses in their government schools that would come even close to what I saw with my own eyes and suffered personally in Catholic schools.
However...I have met **one** very good Catholic and he is colleague that I respect and admire. He is near my age but did not attend any Catholic schools.
I hope you notice that I frequently defend the faith of Catholicism on these threads.
I would be thrilled and delighted if all the CINOs in this nation would truly be converted to their faith and fully practice it. Imagine how much more prosperous, safer, and refined in every way our nation would be. It would be a true blessing.
However...I testify that attending Philadelphia Catholic schools in the 50s and 60s was a hellish experience. I seriously pray that the nuns who were responsible for the abuse, or ignored it and said nothing, have repented. I have hope that I will make it to Heaven to be with God and hope that I will see these nuns there as well.
I have asked my mother ( born 1913) about her Catholic school experiences. She has nothing but warm feelings about school both elementary and high school.
I think the difference is that when she was a child the Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia was on the very edge of the city and was bordered by farms and dirt roads. There were so few children in the local parish school that they only had 4 classrooms occupied. Two grades were combined. There was only one high school for girls in Philadelphia and her father paid tuition for her to attend. She was the only girl in the neighborhood who attended high school and graduated.
I suspect that huge numbers of baby boomers overwhelmed the nuns. Those who should have been retired weren't. I had 4 different nuns for second grade. My mother told me that they had “emotional breakdowns”.
My mother died a few years ago at the age of 98.
The entire scenario takes place 'after' the Great Tribulation...AFTER the first resurrection...
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
You of course are speaking of the judgment of the Nations...
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
At this point, the Rapture is over with...The church has been taken to heaven and the Wedding of the Groom and the Bride has taken place...The Wedding is over...
Jesus has come back in that dreadful Day of the Lord...He now sets up his Throne in Jerusalem, in Israel...The Kingdom of Heaven...'Thy will be done as it is in Heaven'...
After a time, the Nations will be judged, void of all Christians...The Christians have been wed to the Groom...There is no more judgment for Christians...
Those who will be judged at the White Throne Judgment are those who are alive and rejected Jesus and those who are dead who rejected Jesus and did not go up during the Rapture...They will be raised from their graves for this judgment...
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The brethren Jesus is speaking about are the Jews...The Nations will be judged on how they treated the Jews thruout history, including the thousand years Jesus will reign as King...
And again, this verse comes in to play...
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Christians take part in the many parts of the first resurrection...The second resurrection is for those that are hell bound...
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Christians will participate in the Judgment...As judges...NOT the judged...
Catholics appear to think all that stuff was put into the bible just to take up space...There are tons and tons of stuff you guys ignore and throw out of the scriptures...Every single word in there is massively important...
The Orthodox might have issue with that and they would be right.
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just who do you suppose put all that stuff into the Bible???? Catholics threw out NOTHING...it was the "reformers" who edited out portions of the bible.
they were in error then....and still are.
**Christians will participate in the Judgment...As judges...NOT the judged...**
All will be at the Last judgement.
Christ is the judge who will separate the sheeo from the goats.
Where do you get the idea that others will be judges? Far out, in my opinion.
The wedding has taken place...The Bride and Groom are One...The church is married off...Jesus is not going to divorce members of his bride and send them to hell...Christians have been judged long before the judgment you plan on attending and they have been found to be just...Otherwise they couldn't participate in the wedding...
Where do you get the idea that others will be judges? Far out, in my opinion.
Well it's far out for all Caholics because it's in the bible, in many places...How much scripture do you want??? Here's a couple...
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by youM.u<, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This takes place at the judgment of Nations...
There are all kinds of earthshaking information in that book that you guys know nothing about...
The Orthodox might have issue with that and they would be right.they were in error then....and still are.
Rome provoked and was the CAUSE of the schism with the East. Rome used forgeries to "prove" her false historical claims of universal primacy and was rightly rebuffed. The Orthodox knew that historically her claims were false.
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