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To: vladimir998

I gather that Newman’s accusatory tone towards the faith of the Reformers, with their motivations, and his writing of their disagreements off as “fictions”, “bearing false witness”, “slander”, “fable”, “falsehoods” and your word, “lie”, only demonstrates a furtive and desperate need to rationalize his abandonment of the faith he was raised in. In reality, the Reformation brought to the fore many of the abuses, false doctrines, depravities and wrongs that the Roman Catholic Church allowed to creep in and continue.

No, Protestants don’t “have to lie”. I don’t claim to always be right, but I do not intentionally lie or mislead nor have I seen much evidence of others here you so callously brand as “anti-Catholic Protestants”. I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, as found in the sacred Scriptures speaks for itself and the heart that God has prepared to hear it and receive it certainly will. As a former Roman Catholic, I recognized that what I had been taught was not the true gospel and I realized that not by the persuasions of another person but by the very word of God. Jesus said, “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.” (John 10:27-28). I knew I had found the truth and I have never regretted it.


278 posted on 09/02/2013 7:34:25 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

“I gather that Newman’s accusatory tone towards the faith of the Reformers, with their motivations, and his writing of their disagreements off as “fictions”, “bearing false witness”, “slander”, “fable”, “falsehoods” and your word, “lie”, only demonstrates a furtive and desperate need to rationalize his abandonment of the faith he was raised in.”

Nope. He needed no rationalization. He simply decided to follow the truth rather than the Protestant lies.

“In reality, the Reformation brought to the fore many of the abuses, false doctrines, depravities and wrongs that the Roman Catholic Church allowed to creep in and continue.”

Nope. Anything that Catholics did wrong was already known people. In reality many of the wrongful things Catholics did were done even more frequently by Protestants - as attested to by Protestants themselves.

“No, Protestants don’t “have to lie”.”

Yeah, they do. It happens here often enough. That was made obvious.

“I don’t claim to always be right, but I do not intentionally lie or mislead nor have I seen much evidence of others here you so callously brand as “anti-Catholic Protestants”.”

First of all, I have no reason to believe you. Again, I saw it in this very thread. I’m not saying YOU did it this time. Second, it has to be considered that anti-Catholic Protestants commonly push lies which they truly believe in. So, they can say, “I didn’t lie” but they did push forward a lie as if it were true. That happens here at FR every day.

“I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, as found in the sacred Scriptures speaks for itself and the heart that God has prepared to hear it and receive it certainly will.”

I see no evidence that you even know what that gospel is. No Protestant can believe in THE gospel and be a Protestant any longer. The Protestant gospel is a novelty from the 16th century.

“As a former Roman Catholic, I recognized that what I had been taught was not the true gospel and I realized that not by the persuasions of another person but by the very word of God.”

Sorry, I don’t believe you. See, I was persuaded by almighty God that the gospel is as the Church always taught it in Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition. I was saved from a life in Protestantism. Deo gratias! And whereas I have met dozens of former Protestant ministers who really knew their former faith and have become Catholic, I have yet to meet a single former Catholic turned Protestant who actually knew the Catholic faith. I just can’t take Protestant testimony about their counterfeit 16th century gospel seriously because it was not taught in Scripture, Tradition or the Church. It’s a novelty.

“Jesus said, “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.” (John 10:27-28). I knew I had found the truth and I have never regretted it.”

And God in His infinite mercy might never allow you to regret it, but it is still a cheap, counterfeit fraud from the 16th century that you have come to believe. Christ existed before the 16th century and so did the true gospel. I pray that you one day will learn the truth, but I think your heart is hardened to it.


280 posted on 09/02/2013 8:11:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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