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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

you wrote:

“So then it seems you don’t even own the book...”

I read about this in 1995. I don’t need to own the book. If you own the book, why didn’t you post the page numbers when you posted the text?

“and you used a shorter quote that was out of context”

False. The text was not at all out of context and the longer text you posted - probably violating board rules because it is from a banned website - was even more damning.

“with a sentence missing”

No missing sentence changed the fact that he was romantically attached to a teenage girl - WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE ADMITTED TO.

“and then speculated that he might be a statutory rapist.”

No, I wonder IF he was one. I did not “speculate” that “he might be” one. Those are two entirely different things. To a Protestant anti-Catholic, however, truth doesn’t matter.

“Sounds like you made a thorough investigation, unlike his Bishop.”

Unlike his bishop? Sounds like his bishop did exactly the right thing since Brewer admitted he “enjoyed watching the girls giggle as they flirted with teasing boys” and his “attention was drawn to one of the more diligent students who thoroughly captivated [his] interest.” The teenager was “mature beyond her years...lovely and shyly responded as [they] stole moments talking alone after class. This was a new adventure, and [Brewer] soon interpreted [their] newly discovered affection as love.” Those are his words.

And then, “It is not surprising that soon the bishop learned of this, though he was many miles away, and he quickly returned me to the States before any serious relationship could develop. The embarrassment of this discipline was difficult for both of us, but life always moves on.”

“You also accused him of being a big liar, without giving any examples of lies he had allegedly told.”

He was a liar. He lied, for instance, about his understanding of Seventh Day Adventism even though he was an SDA minister at one point.

“You are also accusing me of being a liar.”

Okay, then let’s take a step toward resolving that right now: From where did you get the text, the longer passage from Brewer, that you posted? What website did you cut and paste from?


26 posted on 08/31/2013 4:47:47 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“No missing sentence changed the fact that he was romantically attached to a teenage girl - WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HE ADMITTED TO.”


Romantically “attached”? Like going out with her? He mentions no attachment, only that he was getting too close and his Bishop shipped him off when he heard of it. Nor did he commit statutory rape, like you speculated. That’s what you get for quoting one sentence, without bothering to read the entire context.

I find his honesty compelling, since there was no reason for him to admit that he was falling in love with a high school girl while yet a Priest.

All the more reason why requiring such vows are demonic to begin with:

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” (1Ti 4:1-3)

1Ti_3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

“He was a liar. He lied, for instance, about his understanding of Seventh Day Adventism even though he was an SDA minister at one point.”


Brewer did not lie about his involvement with the SDA, and his reason for leaving them due to their reliance on the teachings of their founder. This is a pure invention on your part, trying your best to paint a good man with deceit.

It’s not working:

“‘My first sermon emphasized the need for every pastor to preach the good news of salvation and growth in the Lord…Holy Scripture was my anchor, and His salvation was my message… the call came for my ordination to take place in the Vallejo Drive Seventh-day Adventist Church in Glendale… I admired the Adventists greatly… As time passed, there was only one thing that dampened our joy and caused some unrest in my heart. That was the heavy reliance of many Adventists on the writings and teachings of Mrs Ellen G White… I wanted to be sure that our little flock would look only to the Scriptures as the final authority for their faith… at the seminar (an annual SDA “Testimony Countdown” conference) I learned that leading Adventist elders regard them (Mrs White’s writings) as equal in authority to the writings of the prophets… She (Mrs White) came to regard herself as a sovereign authority on everything to which she put her mind… I knew that her teachings had become central doctrines of the Seventh-day Adventist church but I could not accept them as being equal with Scripture… I was summoned to a meeting one day and certain complaints were brought to my attention… Even my critics admitted that I was faithful to the Bible. I saw that as long as I questioned Mrs White’s predictions and interpretations I was headed for repeated confrontations with the church’s leaders… I would not submit to another pope or modern prophetess… Christianity is a personal walk with Jesus as Lord and Saviour, not a keeping of the laws as prescribed by Mrs White and the church hierarchy… My last sermon in the Adventist church came from Hebrews 1:3 “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high”. These words had brought me solace and comfort as I prepared my last message there.” (‘Pilgrimage from Rome’, Chapter 11 pg. 95-100)

Nice try though. Maybe you should rename yourself “Satan,” since you are quite the accuser.


32 posted on 08/31/2013 5:03:36 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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