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To: NYer
7.“In the Catholic Church, they use a lot of words that I did not understand.”

IMO that is a REALLY BIG ONE. I immediately began noticing the puzzled, quizzical looks when we adopted the New Roman Missal and began saying things like "consubstantial". The Vatican is full of people who are REALLY out of touch on this. You must speak to the people in the language that they understand. Christ did not arrive in Israel speaking Mandarin Chinese (although he could have).

Some of the other items mentioned (don't have an iPhone app) are scurrilous IMO.


7 posted on 08/27/2013 12:02:28 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

In my Church they spent weeks preparing for the new language changes and explaining the reasons for them.

If “consubstantial” is that difficult, one could seek out assistance. Or simply based on dead reckoning of its placement in the creed figure out it is a more elegant word for “one in being”.


33 posted on 08/27/2013 12:24:59 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Buckeye McFrog; NYer
Hey, Buckeye --- My friend Mindy explained "consubstantial" to her class of fifteen 4th-graders, and every one of them understand that it means the same as "one in being" -- they (the Father and the Son) (and the Holy Spirit) are God --- the same Supreme Being.

That doesn't make the Trinity an easy doctrine, but basically you understand that love tends toward unity, and if your ARE absolute love ("God is love") -- your Trinity-Unity is absolute --- goes beyond anything a human mind can fathom.

They can spell "encyclopedia," too, and find Chattanooga on a map of Tennessee.

Not that hard, really.

But you need to be taught.

59 posted on 08/27/2013 1:13:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing." – 1 Corinthians 13:2)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Consubstanialem - consubstanial - of one substance. I love that the Church demands thought from me not just feelings. Theological things matter and it is important to be accurate.

I have several Catholic apps on my iPad and my parish has a website, what more does one need?

64 posted on 08/27/2013 1:20:04 PM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

” The Vatican is full of people who are REALLY out of touch on this. You must speak to the people in the language that they understand. Christ did not arrive in Israel speaking Mandarin Chinese (although he could have).”

What you’re saying is complete nonsense. Once, you knew the meaning of exactly ZERO words. None at all. Every word you know you were taught by another person, a dictionary you used, or by the context in which it was used. The people in the Vatican are not out of touch with people. They are IN TOUCH with God and His teachings. They should do a better job of teaching, yes, but people in the pews have to do a MUCH BETTER JOB of growing up, stopping the whining and using a dictionary. I understand all of the words used in the Mass. Why? Because I’m literate and know how to use dictionaries. It’s just that simple. The problem is that those people with the “puzzled, quizzical looks” are poorly catechized - and even worse - too darn lazy to crack open a book. They have no more intelligence and self-initiative than they do real faith.

In 2011 I went to a training session on the new Roman Missal, There was an idiot there, a man who had the gall to be a catechist for children, who whined that he couldn’t find the word “consubstantial” in his dictionary at home and so he was upset that it was even being used. I had to retrain my disgust with this lazy piece of useless debris and point out it was in my dictionary. I explained what it meant. I then told him - very politely - to get a better dictionary. These people with the “puzzled, quizzical looks” are useless parasites. If they had any real faith they would have prepared for the new Missal, used a dictionary or simply asked their pastor. They did none of those things.


147 posted on 08/27/2013 4:13:22 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Buckeye McFrog
things like "consubstantial". The Vatican is full of people who are REALLY out of touch on this.

Good grief....the word consubstantial was in the old latin Mass....there's nothing new about it at all......when we sang the "Credo" in Latin...."consubstantianum Patri" was a line in the song...

255 posted on 08/27/2013 8:28:33 PM PDT by terycarl
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