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To: metmom; SoothingDave; fwdude
Exodus 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent... Numbers 21:8-9

Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed.

The Church does NOT compel her members to kneel or pray before images. No one is allowed by the Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Church allows for the veneration of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.

192 posted on 08/27/2013 5:38:26 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer; metmom; SoothingDave; fwdude
>> God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed.<<

You forgot to read what happened to the image of a snake when the Israelites began to “venerate” it? Are you ready to smash those idols of Mary and the saints?

196 posted on 08/27/2013 5:42:43 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NYer
And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." So Moses made a bronze serpent... Numbers 21:8-9

The discussion is about bowing down before the image. God FORBIDS bowing down or serving them.

You do realize what happened to that bronze serpent eventually, don't you?

2 Kings 18:1-4 In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah, king of Israel, Hezekiah the son of Ahaz, king of Judah, began to reign. He was twenty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Abi the daughter of Zechariah. And he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

216 posted on 08/27/2013 6:56:30 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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