Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
Ok. Do you think that the Bible teaches that Jesus was God and that Mary is His mother?
No, i deny your interpretation. They are not one and the same.
I do not need angels to carry my prayers to God...I have a supernatural super-fax which gets my prayers there as quick as I can think them up...
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
I find it interesting that your religion completely denies a thousand year reign of Jesus Christ where we Christians will reign with Jesus which is clearly layed out in Rev. 20 while latching onto some obscure verses that have to do with saints and prayers in the same book and build your religion upon it...
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
How about those Catholic monks who do nothing but sleep and pray??? Is that dead faith???
You dont want to use scripture ey? Ok, Ill play your game. Is David the father of God?
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: (Luke 1:32)
And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? (Matt 12:23)
And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. (Matt 15:22)
And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David. (Matt 20:30)
And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. (Matt 21:9)
Again, is David the father of god?
Holy Spirit said:
Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I will pray for you sir. You have clearly denied the words of the Holy Spirit and/or you are not a believer on the Lord Jesus Christ as savior.
There is no trap here. I just think it is interesting that Scripture is preaching to Abraham. Do we have any other records that are older than the Old Testament?
LOL!!
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While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. (Matt 22:42-46) [See also: Mark 12: 35-37, and Luke 20:41-44]
He has clearly established the fact that David is NOT the father of God, because he is NOT the father of the second person of the blessed trinity. He has clearly shown this distinction of natures to be a mystery.
Another indication of the distinct natures of Jesus.
John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
God didnt give the Spirit to the second person of the Trinity He would have already been one with it.
The second person of the Trinity has neither beginning nor end. Jesus Christ the man died on that cross. The second person of the Trinity did not die nor can it die or be put to death.
And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, delivering you from your people and from the Gentilesto whom I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.
1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Hebrews 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
1 Peter 1:1-2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
And still they deny! If they truly desire to be followers of Christ I pray they beg the Holy Spirit for guidance.
You said something that was untrue - that you concluded EOs only differed with the RCC in two areas (authority of the Pope and the vague, "the Western compulsion to define everything."). In fact, the differences are in many areas - areas that the Roman Catholic Church has declared mandatory dogmas for ALL Christians to hold. One doesn't have to be a member of a particular religious group to be familiar with their tenets and contribute to the discussions on this forum. Perhaps by my doing so, you gained some needed knowledge. No thanks necessary!
Me, too!
AMEN!
Perhaps it is YOU who needs an historical perspective that goes beyond the sanitized, biased Roman Catholic revised version of history?
(Hey, I know I don’t see eye to eye with the official Catholic system but I don’t mean to imply that any Catholic who has personally believed in Christ for salvation of their eternal life is any less a Christian than myself. I give full glory and credit to Jesus Christ and not preachers or priests for doing that work in mankind, as a good Crazy Evangelical ought to be giving!)
Well, I pray and wish God’s blessings on this one. Blessings are what displace curses, abortion and the PP adopted attitude towards it being a horrible curse. (If they wanted it rare they wouldn’t be rolling out red carpets for it and they’d also be going along with Christian ideals of glorifying God in human bodies.) And while others if asked might also invoke blessings, we KNOW that when we pray and glorify God, we invoke blessings. And that’s going to be the dance of heaven anyhow — nobody else there will dance it for us while we sit there inert, we will ourselves dance it — so why not start practicing it now?
You say “vague” i say “succinct”.
I don’t need you to teach me anything (and you haven’t) and the Orthodox don’t need you to speak for them.
Is Jesus God and is Mary His mother?
Simple questions. I would think you could answer them.
The offering is once. The sanctification plays out over human time.
The difference is that i don’t accuse you of blaspheming the Holy Spirit because you have a different interpretation.
Meditate on that.
It was a dark, dark time when the church had gotten so entangled in the state that it could even do something like that. I believe that was the seat of such arrogance. And yes, of all people, Protestants have gotten into such entanglements too when they should have completely known better!
The church had so given short credit to the gospel of YES, a gospel which when still alive sold itself quite vigorously, that it was neck deep in the “gospel” of NO. A state church would do an awfully poor job with the gospel of YES because it would have taken on unbelievers by very definition. The city of God, to use a metaphor favored by Aquinas, has sheep in it. No goats.
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