The whole continuing binding revelation thing is par for the course.
From the IOR to the gay lobby: Pope Francis tells all on flight from Rio to Rome
Vatican Insider - LaStampa ^ | 07/29/2013 | Andrea Tornielli
On the Charismatic Renewal Movement
“At the end of the 70s, early 80s, I couldn’t see them. I once said they must confuse liturgical celebration with samba lessons! Then I got to know them better and I was won over. I saw the work that they did and I said mass for them in Buenos Aires every year. I think movements are necessary; they are a gift from the Holy Spirit. The Church is free; the Holy Spirit does what it wants.”
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/gmg-26831//pag/1/
We call them Frannies here, as we are home to Franciscan University of Steubenville. Our church is where most of them attend Mass. I’m fine with thier family sizes; however, they mainly live in government subsidized housing and they use SNAP and WIC. Some of the smaller families take in foster children for extra income. My husband is the fire inspector so he has to inspect the foster homes. As a staunch Catholic, he’s not impressed. They do their arm waving thing and that bothers some of the older parishioners, and thier every-other-week takeover of music bothers me a bit. I don’t need guitars and drums to make me feel cool to be in church. Rant off, as I’m going to take something for this heartburn that’s making me so grouchy tonight.
Just goes to show how relativistic and vapid this Pope is. Being no fan of the Catholic religion, but certainly no fan of the Charismatics/Pentecostals, and having once been one of their member, I assure you there is nothing about this movement that is a benefit to anybody. It is wholly focused on emotionalism, and layers upon itself one bad doctrine upon another. Indeed, their number one manifestation, “speaking in tongues,” is not only not biblical (tongues in the Bible were an actual language), but is pure madness, with people literally flaying around as they get “baptized by the Holy Spirit.”
These same phenomena I have seen repeated by stage hypnotists, and even confessed frauds like Marjoe Gortner, who even described the emotional game he would play with these people when he would lay hands on them, allegedly “healing” their ailments and other such things. I’ve seen Occultists use them as well. ‘Psychic vampires,’ self proclaimed, getting people to fall over or even to pass out from across the room.
Most of it, I would say, is purely psychological. In other cases, it is diabolical. But in every case, it’s something that does not engender any kind of love for the truth or encourage real thinking.
Pope Benedict XVI
Pope Benedict XVI, addressing two charismatic groups, affirmed and promoted the charismatic emphasis of the young movements in the Church on October 31, 2008:
"The ecclesial movements and new communities, which bloomed after the Second Vatican Council, are a unique gift of the Lord and a precious resource for the life of the Church. . . . They should be welcomed with trust and valued in their various contributions. . . . The charisms arise as visible signs of the coming of the Holy Spirit, not as a historical event of the past, but as an always living reality. . . ."
"The Spirit himself, soul of the Church, acts in her in every age, and his interventions, mysterious and efficacious, manifest themselves in our times in a providential way. The movements and new communities are like an inrush of the Holy Spirit in the Church and in contemporary society. . . ."
"One of the positive elements and aspects of the communities of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal is precisely the importance given by them to the charisms and gifts of the Holy Spirit and their merit lies in having reminded the Church of the actuality [of these gifts] . . ."
The Pope emphasized the value and the importance of the new charisms in the Church, whose authenticity is guaranteed by the willingness to submit themselves to discernment from ecclesiastical authorities.
Prophecy | Deliverance | Tongues | Teaching
Healing - Miracles | Discernment
Apparitions | Messages
From what I have seen at the SCRC and among charismatics I know, they can be some of the best defenders of orthodox Christian beliefs. They may actually read the Bible, papal encyclicals, lives of the Saints.
I’m not charismatic, but I’m a fan of their Christian Joy. Some may be loopy. Many are solid.
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector.
9 He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.10 “Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity—greedy, dishonest, adulterous—or even like this tax collector.
12 I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.
13 But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”