Posted on 08/08/2013 3:56:12 PM PDT by NYer
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I’m not certain that this correctly portrays the Orthodox position. If it does, then I have to respectfully disagree with the pope on this one and say the Latin Church has the better position.
Hello Francis, if I wanted to be Orthodox, I would be Orthodox.
The Holy Father is IMHO playing a dangerous game.
At least some of them permit a third but final marriage.
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He didn’t say he agreed with the Orthodox position, just that this exists.
Soon Francis will hold a huge auction, at which he will sell off all of the ill-gotten wealth of the Vatican, and give the money to the poor, to whom it was originally to go anyway.
Pope Francis seems to be very influenced by the East. I believe he was actually the Latin Rite prelate in charge of the Byzantine Rite in Argentina, wasn’t he?
But I think marriage teaching should be strengthened rather than weakened, because it gives an ideal. However, we have a huge backlog of people who married during the 40 years of bad times since Vatican II, when it appeared that Catholic marriage was no more indissoluble than any other.
The problem is that the ones who are eliminating themselves from participation in the sacraments are actually the good, ethical people who really believed it meant something.
So I would say reconcile people who have had a second marriage - as an emergency gesture.
The Pope could simply do this on a one-time basis as a charitable act. Then give everybody better preaching and teaching, give young people better instruction and make it very much harder from then on out.
But setting divorce up as something that is going to be regularly permitted is not good, in my opinion, because people assume that means it’s ok.
The younger Orthodox (in their 40s) I knew years ago in California were already on their second marriages because they lived in California and divorce was in the air. We don’t want this to become the standard for Catholics.
Can I have Orthodox liturgy and Latin theology?
I believe you can, in a variety of Eastern Catholic Churches.
I believe I read in another article that he suggested the Orthodox as a model.
Unfortunately, they are few and far between in my neck of the woods.
I don’t know what the view of the Eastern Orthodox is on marriage, (though I find most of the rest of their theology to be vapid) but on marriage the translation is indeed correct wherein it says that a man should not put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication. This might be the same in other places where it speaks of one spouse abandoning the other. Though even this separation (for adultery on the part of one spouse) is a terrible and foul thing, since He also says “what God hath joined, let man not cut asunder.”
Though, since we are not under the law, but are in fact “dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God” (Rom 7:4), I would say that any guilt over separation under such circumstances, and any notion of only getting a “second” chance, or even a third or fourth, are absolutely absurd in the presence of the forgiving God.
Maybe you did, but unless there’s an extended direct quote, it doesn’t matter what an article suggested.
I think it’s very improbable. There’s a deep chasm between “except for unchastity” and “unless one or both parties has refused to do the work required for a Christian marriage.”
We have all kinds of stuff here, even Ethiopian and Coptic Orthodox, who are not in union with Rome but are quite cool.
what does he think about nuns and priests breaking their vows?
LOL! What you actually want is Latin structure (along with the theology), because the Orthodox churches are, alas, a little dysfunctional.
Because they have rejected Rome, they’re so ethnically identified that in the US - where there are many different ethnic groups - it’s like being part of your local Cosa Nostra. They don’t talk to each other, they’re trying to kneecap their rivals, and, actually, none of them really accept Americans from outside of their ethnic group very well.
I knew the daughter of an Orthodox priest in the Midwest who told me her father kept a gun behind the altar because another priest had been shot dead by a rival Orthodox group (same Slavic ethnic group, different faction). So they need to get back to St Peter.
BXVI really wanted to reconcile them, and I think Francis does, too. So let’s pray really hard for that!
At this point? Your guess is as good as mine.
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