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To: Jack of all Trades

That’s love? That’s the ideal of fatherhood?

There was no fall of man, it was a push.


You have not come back regarding your question ( if i believed i was created,) which i answered yes, but after thinking about it i realized we may not think so different.

Yes i believe an all knowing God would have known that the ones he created would do just what he told them not to do,

Any one who have ever had children is aware of this.

But they still had a choice, and after they took of the forbidden fruit they still had a choice because they knew good from evil.

Birds and most other animals gets pushed out of the nest and i think it was no different with man and woman.

Adam was pushed to leave his father and cling to his wife and they were pushed out of the garden of Eden, if not for the partaking of the forbidden fruit there may not have been any children, it may have been just Adam and Eve, i would not be here.

When i say we have a choice, i say it very softly because i did not come to believe in Jesus Christ by choice, in fact i fought it.

I do not take every thing i read in genius literal, i take it as an explanation just like you would explain some deep subject to a small child.

For instance ( where did i come from ) a stork brought you:

In my case they would have told me that i was hatched under a rock.

Ok, so i think i have been enlightened, but maybe in fact it would just be called stupidity, but where do i go from here?

I still believe God is the creator of the universe, i believe that Jesus is the son of God.


99 posted on 08/07/2013 7:22:45 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

I composed most of a reply last night, but didn’t click post and now it’s gone. I remember it started “Good, so do I...”

If God knows everything you’re ever going to do when you are created by Him, then it is impossible to argue that you have any choice whatsoever. You have only the perception of choice. In the Bible, Adam and Eve had no choice, likewise Mary, nor Jesus, or anyone else.


101 posted on 08/07/2013 8:07:12 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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