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To: WVKayaker
We cannot stand before God and be judged righteous. It is not possible.

No, and I'm not counting on that. But I will stand before The Christ at His judgment Seat, and the works done in my body will be judged. So will yours, if that's where you wind up. And I'm certainly not thinking Arminian in outcomes.

I think I'll keep on giving booze a pass. God has given the ability. It's on the same level spiritually with Zyklon B and methadone. As we see.

It is clear that you don't understand everything Jesus did, before, during, and after his crucifixion. Your misinterpretations of Old Testament Scriptures do not understand that the OT was designed to point out that man cannot live according to the Law, and that it is ABSOLUTELY necessary that we have a kinsman redeemer, a Goel.

It is you, friend, who do not understand that EVERY word of The God is a part of His Salvation AND sancification plan. The theme of the Bible, front to back, is the Coming of The Messiah and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace.

Old Testament Scriptures do apply when they meet the conditions of having the same context and are universally . If you are not interested in moving on from salvation into usefulness, just chop off everything from the Gospels on, and remove Psalm 119 and Proverbs, at least. What we have been talking is a part of that. You can only exemplify what you live.

516 posted on 08/10/2013 6:00:47 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
No, and I'm not counting on that. But I will stand before The Christ at His judgment Seat, and the works done in my body will be judged. So will yours, if that's where you wind up. And I'm certainly not thinking Arminian in outcomes

With that statement, it is clear to me that you really don't accept the salvation message that is defined by Paul. There is absolutely nothing you can do that will earn you a crown. You must accept the fact that you are a sinner, and will always be. Is that a license, as Paul says, "God forbid".

But, did Christ die for us to live according to the OT? Are we not to enjoy the things He has bestowed? I am not gong to become a monk, nor live a life of Asceticism. The vision Peter received on the rooftop tells me that I do not have to live in a cave, eating worms...

Christ turned water into wine, in spite of your desire to deny that miracle. It had alcohol. Jesus drank wine, in spite of your denials of clear Scriptures that affirm it as fact. I've studied them, as well. I believe Jesus's words and try to live according to the Spirit.

I drink wine, too! But, like my Savior, I am not a winebibber (drunk). I'll just put my wine box in the cupboard if you are around, as I don't want you to stumble in your weakness!

Matthew 15: 15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ ”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.” ...

519 posted on 08/10/2013 6:34:14 AM PDT by WVKayaker ("Our nation endures and our government... has not perished from the earth."-Sarah Palin 7/1/13)
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To: imardmd1
So will yours, if that's where you wind up.

IF??

MY bible says ALL will be there!


11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

520 posted on 08/10/2013 6:37:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
It is you, friend, who do not understand that EVERY word of The God is a part of His Salvation AND sancification plan.

HMMMmmm...

521 posted on 08/10/2013 6:37:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
And I'm certainly not thinking Arminian in outcomes.

Then what ARE you thinking here, as I am a bit confused.

522 posted on 08/10/2013 6:39:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
I think I'll keep on giving booze a pass.

You are quite within your rights to do so - but please don't try to make everyone feel inferior for their NOT doing so.

523 posted on 08/10/2013 6:42:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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