[verga]

Your post 397: His heart was greatly enlarged from the torture, IIRC from doctors' estimation. No chance naturally then to get the heart back into pumping condition ...

Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water.

Sorry, I forgot. Jn. 19:34 -- no doctor needed, explains itself. Use Google on "pericardial edema" . IIRC a well-known response of athletes to extreme muscular effort, congestive heart failure w/ pulmonary edema

Still no mention of an enlarged heart or a doctor. You seem to be including things that just aren't there.

[imardmd1]

Still no mention of an enlarged heart or a doctor. You seem to be including things that just aren't there.

You seem to be excluding things that are there. Is Jesus fully, perfectly human male. If so, then under these circumstances his body will react to the torture the way every other similar male body would, and that diagnosis is known.

If you think there was anything unusual physically that says Jesus is not fully, perfectly human male, then you have a very large Christological problem.

Regarding doctors estimate, if you recall, I inserted the proviso IIRC of what I read concerning the progress of the cross-death.

We'e done here. Whatever your problem is, I can't fix it.

[Elsie]

You seem to be including things that just aren't there.

That has happened a LOT in this thread!

(Did you know it started out about crucifixes and Presbyterians?)