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1 posted on 08/03/2013 3:02:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 08/03/2013 3:05:26 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Celibates are the new flagellates in the Catholic church. Whatever makes you feel holy and gives you joy. After all, we only get one life to live and all happiness occurs between the ears. Make of it what you will.


5 posted on 08/03/2013 3:23:44 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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From the article:

“When Pope Francis said he wouldn’t judge gay priests he unwittingly undermined clerical celibacy.”

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I disagree....as even priests can misinterpret what took place.

A more accurate take is made by Rev. Mark A. Pilon, S.T.D.

“Nothing the pope said was new or different from what his predecessors have said on this issue. He distinguished clearly between orientation and homosexual acts, he spoke of confession and repentance, and he repeated the Church’s teaching that homosexuals not be marginalized because of their sexual orientation. None of this is revolutionary.

But the press picked up and focused on a single sentence, “Who am I to judge them?” Taken in the context of everything else the pope said in that interview or elsewhere many times, there is absolutely nothing new or surprising.

The press, however, in large part, especially in the United States, chose to interpret that statement not in the context of the pope’s broader comments but in the context of the “non-judgmentalism” and relativistic morality in our society.

In the contemporary world, not judging people translates as not judging their actions, and the press took this as an opening for the Church to reconsider its moral condemnation of homosexual relationships and activity. It doesn’t matter what the pope said before or after this statement; the press chose to portray him as opening the door to a new moral attitude.

This is the danger in off-the-cuff interviews today. What the press is interested in are simply sound bites and controversy. Complex issues like homosexuality and homosexuals in the priesthood cannot be discussed with the media “swine” in this manner without constantly having to correct their misinterpretations and reportorial sensationalism.

By and large the press is not interested in the Church or her true mission, but only in the scandals and controversies surrounding the hot issues of contemporary culture and how the Church fits into these issues.

No one who has followed this pope and understands his deep faith and the weight of Church teaching and tradition in his approach to any of these hot issues could really think that he is going to make any substantial changes.”

More information:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays


6 posted on 08/03/2013 3:26:18 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Just a constant attack on the church....no attacks on fags or killers or perverts....just the church and its principles.


11 posted on 08/03/2013 3:49:38 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ebb tide

Maybe bears don’t crap in the woods anymore.


16 posted on 08/03/2013 4:35:48 PM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: ebb tide

Is it possible that you mean “chastity” when you write “celibacy”? People often confuse these two concepts.


19 posted on 08/03/2013 5:29:39 PM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: ebb tide
Another example of what is wrong with religion in general. When religious leaders do not seem to agree with the laity, there is friction. Being human, these leaders are endowed with too much reverence by the laity and there will always be human failings. The Bible has no contradictions and speaks plainly about God's Will and the Good News of the New Covenant - following it will never let one down (or add a gazillion canons/tenets/rituals, etc., to the mix to divert one from the Word).

I admire Francis more than any other Pope in recent history, but I never forget he, like all the others, is a flawed human being who needs the Blood of Jesus as much as any other, even the basest, that walks the Earth.

31 posted on 08/04/2013 3:33:46 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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35 posted on 08/04/2013 12:35:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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“Because of this the church has tried to screen out homosexual persons from the priesthood. The all-male environment of seminaries and the ordained priesthood afford a safe-haven for homosexuals. Men with same-sex attraction, under the cover of celibacy, can easily “date” and engage in couple type activities without raising an eyebrow.”

I that explains the instances of abuse peaking in the late 70’s/early 80’s and dwindling down to almost nothing. It hasn’t raised any eyebrows in the greater culture for a long time, at least in some places. I bet that gay men becoming priests has declined at the same rate as the abuse did, as the gay priests that molested boys died and weren’t replaced by more gay men joining up. By the early 70’s there were whole communities of openly homosexual men living together, something that never happened on that level before, at least in the modern era. They could get jobs, and in some of them they were celebrated, acedemia, fashion, politics—they were on TV and in popular culture more and more. The 80’s were more extreme, the following decades more so and on to what we have today.

Now they don’t need to hide anywhere, they can get married in 13 states with several others recognizing those marriages, in many areas it is against the law to ‘discriminate’ against them. If they want to get into religion, there are many faiths that will now happily put them in positions of leadership where they can be openly gay in relationships, and never have the Church’s unchanging plain teaching as concerns homosexual acts hurt their feelings. I mean, how likely is a group that still doesn’t accept civil divorce and remarriage, as well as birth control within marriage to go ahead and accept homosexual relationships? Just a theory.

Freegards


40 posted on 08/04/2013 5:38:24 PM PDT by Ransomed
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