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To: SZonian; colorcountry; Vigilanteman; jimt
I was on the varsity debate squad for a leading university during my early years as an undergraduate.

One of the greatest sins you could make in a tournament, almost always promptly resulting in a loss of the contest, was resorting to ad hominem arguments ... attacking the motives or character of an individual rather than rebutting the validity of their position.

The dismissive use of the term anti-Mormon is a classic example of this loathsome practice.

It is done out of desperation.

In all of my many years of challenging the Saints with annotated facts, I have never had one instance where a Mormon was able to even minimally refute a major issue such as: the anachronisms in their scriptures; the contradictions between their scriptures; the additions and deletions to their scriptures; vast changes in their fundamental beliefs; the false prophesies made by their founders and early church members; and their sordid past.

And, of course, this is exactly why, at the present time, the Church is conducting a FAIR conference focusing on the topic of doubt by Mormons who are finally exposed to these facts regarding their faith.

26 posted on 08/01/2013 9:46:41 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats: Making everything free in this country except you)
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To: Zakeet; SZonian; colorcountry; All
In all of my many years of challenging the Saints with annotated facts, I have never had one instance where a Mormon was able to even minimally refute a major issue such as: the anachronisms in their scriptures...

I spent some time recently further pondering such anachronisms...This was mostly "first-hand" research...not simply reading what others who've had issues with MormonISM...but digging DIRECTLY (primarily) into Mormon church published stuff...

Mormons, take a look yourself in this same way:

* In Alma 36:18, supposedly written 73 years prior to Christ's birth, we see this phrase: "Oh, Jesus thou Son of God, have mercy on me." [Really?]
* In 2 Nephi 9:18, supposedly written in 6th century B.C....the character talks about how others "endured the crosses of the world"
* We have a Democratic principle of how "law...must be established by the voice of the people" in 87 B.C. (Alma 2:3)
* Or in 67 BC we get phrases like "yielded to the standard of liberty...are compelled to hoist the title of liberty upon their towers and in their cities..." (Alma 51:20)
* What 1850s Utah Mormons couldn't have was supposedly in abundance in 90 B.C.: "wearing costly apparel" (Alma 1:32) consisting of "silk and fine-twined linen" (Alma 1:29)
* Also Alma 1: Did the gold-etcher REALLY use the word "ignominious" as an adjective in 90 B.C.? (Alma 1:15)
* And all this resurrection of the dead stuff in 83 BC? (Alma 4:14; see also being filled with great joy because of resurrection of dead -- Alma 5:14)
* John the Baptist language in same BC period? (Alma 5:50)
* Or compare Alma 7:14 to John 3...
* Or, if Alma 7:20 was written in "reformed Egyptian" -- how did it happen that the ENGLISH word "right" (used two different ways) is utilized as a play-on-words that works ONLY in English?
* Or how did BC Alma 7:24 look like Paul's 1 Cor. 13?
* Or how did they produce cement in BC times (Alma 9:28; see also Helaman 3:7,11)
* We see "church joining" in 120-100 BC times, eh? (Mosiah 26:14)
* Steel in Ether 7:9...or breakable windows in Ether 2:23...which supposedly was even earlier BC wise than all the above...

29 posted on 08/01/2013 10:11:33 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mormons LOVE to label people as 'Antis'...just read 'bout the 'Anti-Nephi-Lehies' in Book of Mormon!)
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To: Zakeet
Well bully for you! I was on a debating team once, too!

Some of us take this purpose statement of Free Republic at its word:

Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

So tell me how your mindless "How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?" debates do anything to further conservatism in America?

Particularly when the rest of us aren't even interested in arguing with your ilk. You don't win a debate just because we ignore you.

My apologies for paying you any attention and crashing in on your pity party. Now, I'm back to ignoring you as I should have done in the first place.

32 posted on 08/01/2013 10:15:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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