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To: boatbums
ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All means ALL.

Actually your understanding is off a bit. there are three conditions for sin to occur: 1) It must be a serious/ grave matter.

2) The person must have full knowledge of what they are doing.

3) The act must be intentional.

Consequently a child that has not reached the age of reason cannot sin. Neither can a person that is mentally challenged or incapacitated.

98 posted on 07/27/2013 5:16:57 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
Actually, verga, I believe it is you that has it a little off.

1. It must be a serious/ grave matter. I cannot agree that it must be a serious/grave matter, because that phrase is so subjective. Telling a 'white lie' to some is not grave, yet to others, ANY lie is a lie (This is my camp.) In Matthew, Jesus described how anger IS murder and lust IS adultery, because sin is a mind thing before it is an action. One of the few things that Jimmuh Carter got correct, was that he admitted to sinning by 'lusting in his heart' about women. Does this mean that spending hours fantasizing is a sin? Of course it is but, if a temptation such as, "I wonder what it would be like to have Jill or Tammy or Sue as my wife?" comes into one's mind and you recognize it but do nothing to capture that thought and get rid of it, you have sinned, period! Instead of a female, it could be a car that is better than your neighbour's or it could be anything. In this world, such thoughts are not considered a serious matter, but they are, so I would suggest that 100% of all men have sinned lustfully.

I do not agree that a child has to reach the age of reason to have sinned but I do agree that they are spared the eternal consequences of their sin until they reach such an age. Have you never witnessed a couple of four year olds fighting over a toy or a child lying about who broke a window with their baseball? Kids lie and know the difference between right and wrong, so they do sin.

107 posted on 07/27/2013 6:08:55 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: verga

I’ll stick to how Almighty God defines sin, thankyouverymuch.


116 posted on 07/27/2013 7:19:06 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: verga; boatbums

Actually your understanding is off alot!

All are born with a sin nature. It comes from their father.

Your mumblings about sin are solely your own, and do not come from Yehova, nor from his word.

Children sin from the moment that they take their first breath.


137 posted on 07/27/2013 8:09:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: verga; boatbums; editor-surveyor
1) It must be a serious/ grave matter.

2) The person must have full knowledge of what they are doing.

3) The act must be intentional.

Wrong. God tells us in His word that there is unintentional sin.

James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Leviticus 4:1-3 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, If anyone sins unintentionally in any of the Lord's commandments about things not to be done, and does any one of them, 3 if it is the anointed priest who sins, thus bringing guilt on the people, then he shall offer for the sin that he has committed a bull from the herd without blemish to the Lord for a sin offering.

Leviticus 4:13-14 13 “If the whole congregation of Israel sins unintentionally and the thing is hidden from the eyes of the assembly, and they do any one of the things that by the Lord's commandments ought not to be done, and they realize their guilt, 14 when the sin which they have committed becomes known, the assembly shall offer a bull from the herd for a sin offering and bring it in front of the tent of meeting.

Leviticus 4:22-23 “When a leader sins, doing unintentionally any one of all the things that by the commandments of the Lord his God ought not to be done, and realizes his guilt, 23 or the sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring as his offering a goat, a male without blemish,

Leviticus 4:27-28 27 “If anyone of the common people sins unintentionally in doing any one of the things that by the Lord's commandments ought not to be done, and realizes his guilt, 28 or the sin which he has committed is made known to him, he shall bring for his offering a goat, a female without blemish, for his sin which he has committed.

Matter of fact, there are so many other verses addressing unintentional sin, here is a link to the keyword *unintentional*.

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=unintentional&version1=ESV&searchtype=all&bookset=1

144 posted on 07/27/2013 8:21:31 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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