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To: vladimir998

There’s no “Ahem” about it. Most Catholics in America are just as Protestant in their understanding of morality as Protestant.

Whereas the Catholic Church condemns abortion ALWAYS, the vast majority of Protestant sects - true to the relativistic core - either embrace it or pretend their pro-life (”Abortion is wrong...except in cases of incest and rape.”).
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I can see whence you come, but, let’s at least be even-handed here, shall we? I suspect you have no idea just how many “Protestant sects” there are in this country in the first place. (There are MANY — and many non-denominational congregations, as well.)

For you to say, without research, that “the vast majority” of denominations or “sects” either embrace abortion or pretend their pro-life (”Abortion is wrong...except in cases of incest and rape.”),” is — in the first place — to go out on a shaky limb.

Second, although I (with shame) have to concede that many of the larger Protestant denominations (e.g., PCUSA, ECUSA, UMC, ELCA, UCC, The Religious Society of Friends, etc) have left their biblical moorings on any number of issues — be it homosexuality or the need to evangelize the lost — and have, as you say, to their shame come out trying to justify abortion.

Nonetheless, just as many professing Catholics (e.g., Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi) defy/defied their own Church’s teaching on abortion, MANY Protestants — even some of those in the more liberal denominations — abhor abortion.

Yea, I myself would go out on a limb and say that I believe that the vast majority of Protestant believers in this country who are more than obligatory occasional pew-sitters viscerally oppose abortion — including in cases of rape or incest (as do I).


149 posted on 07/27/2013 12:20:40 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Blowback (Faithfully farting twowards Mecca five times daily).)
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To: man_in_tx; vladimir998
The following is directed at anyone inclined to religious squabbling here and not at man_in_tx or vladimir998 more than anyone else:

As a Catholic and as a recovering attorney, I would add that I represented hundreds of Reformed Christians (as well as hundreds of Catholics) in what was called "Operation Rescue" but actually had another name. The Reformed Christians were every bit as committed pro-lifers as were the Catholics.

As a Catholic, I recognize a litany of evil characters in our nation's politics who make obviously false claims to their "Catholicism" on the basis of their usually infant baptisms but have made their life's work the public repudiation of the truths of Catholicism for their personal and political profit, whoring after the support of their fellow social issue revolutionaries. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the division between Catholics and Reformed Christians on matters theological.

Babykillers and marriage destroyers (favoring lavender everything and, in some cases, obvious adultery among married straights as well) posing as "Catholics" have included VPOTUS Biden, Pelosi, Rosa DeLauro, Edward Kennedy, John Kerry, Arnold Schwarzenegger, most living Kennedys with roots in Hyannisport, Susan Collins, Christopher Dodd, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Tim Kaine, Patty Murray, Tom Harkin, Richard Durbin, Patrick Quinn, Dannell Malloy, Patrick Leahy, Martin O'Malley, Jerry Brown, Mary Landrieu, and an embarrassing laundry list of others too long to repeat. These and not good Catholics and good Reformed Christians are our enemies.

Other "Christians" (mostly "Reformed" although they need a lot more reforming on such subjects)favoring such abominations have included anyone named Clinton, Barak and Moochelle, Nancyboy Kirk, Olympia Snowe (Greek Orthodox), and another embarrassing laundry list of others falsely claiming Christianity. I will leave the actual listing to their co-religionists. These and not good Reformed Christians and good Catholics are our enemies.

As a Catholic, I do not feel I have any business stirring up strife among Reformed denominations. I will note that I have found many denominations, in my experience, to seem to be solidly pro-life: Assemblies of God, Evangelical Free Church in America, Missouri Synod Lutherans, Wisconsin Evangelical Synod Lutherans, Westminster Confession Presbyterians, many non-denominational Evangelical and Pentecostal Churches, as well as non-reformed Eastern Orthodox Churches, Mormons (other than Romney and a few individuals), and some Jehovah's Witnesses, and also many Orthodox and Chassidic Jewish Congregations, some Conservative Jewish Congregations and even a few very pro-life atheists and agnostics.

Why are we fighting and often bitterly so? We need each and every pro-lifer on board. It is all well and good to hold strong religious beliefs. Is it necessary that we engage in the never-ending food fight on a site primarily political?

153 posted on 07/27/2013 1:18:56 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: man_in_tx

you wrote:

“I can see whence you come, but, let’s at least be even-handed here, shall we?”

I don’t believe Protestant anti-Catholics are capable of being even-handed.

“I suspect you have no idea just how many “Protestant sects” there are in this country in the first place. (There are MANY — and many non-denominational congregations, as well.)”

There are several hundred thousand such groups in the U.S. I am taking into account the basement and garage sects.

“For you to say, without research,”

I did the research years ago.

“to go out on a shaky limb.”

Everything I said was true.

“MANY Protestants — even some of those in the more liberal denominations — abhor abortion.”

Irrelevant. When discussing the Church or sects what matters is what is taught rather than what members choose to believe in obedience or disobedience to the Church or sects.

“Yea, I myself would go out on a limb and say that I believe that the vast majority of Protestant believers in this country who are more than obligatory occasional pew-sitters viscerally oppose abortion — including in cases of rape or incest (as do I).”

Even when Protestants oppose abortion they do not oppose the culture of birth control that leads to it.


161 posted on 07/27/2013 2:58:53 PM PDT by vladimir998
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