Posted on 07/26/2013 2:04:17 PM PDT by NYer
“You approach from a false premise.”
Nope.
“Are the NT scriptures authoritative because church officials placed them in the canon; or were the NT Scriptures placed in the canon because they were authoritative?”
The issue would be inspiration. Matthew’s gospel is inspired. I bet we both believe that. Now, how do we know it is inspired?
No actually that is a picture of the grilled cheese sandwich a woman claimed was the image of Mary. She made some ‘dough’ over the deal and a few news stories. Someone actually bought (even after it molded) it on Ebay for just under $30K:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6511148/
We do agree. Matthew's gospel is inspired, thus authoritative. During the 1st Century our evidence is Matthew himself and the other apostles. Most scholars put Matthews gospel as completed and distributed around 62-65 AD. (http://www.errantskeptics.org/DatingNT-ChronologicalOrder.htm)
Then if we bridge this with what the ECFs said we see the continuity. Here is what Ireneus had to say:
Irenaeus, around the year 180 gave the first historically documented list of the four gospels and their authors:
"Matthew also published a gospel in writing among the Hebrews in their own language, while Peter & Paul were preaching the gospel and founding the church in Rome. But after their death, Mark, the disciple & interpreter of Peter, also transmitted to us in writing what Peter used to preach. And Luke, Paul's associate, also set down in a book the gospel that Paul used to preach. Later, John, the Lord's disciple --- the one who lay on his lap --- also set out the gospel while living at Ephesus in Asia Minor. (Against Heresies 3.1.1)"
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| Hello, I am Eliza. * Again, how do you know Matthew’s gospel was written by Matthew? > We were discussing you, not me. Input: |
Barnum was right!!
(Many more have 'bought' the story as well...)
So you’re saying all the evidence we have that Matthew wrote a gospel and that his gospel is inspired, is based, entirely, 100%, upon Church teaching rather than upon anything whatsoever in scripture?
I agree.
Once again, show us all the verse which mentions Matthew wrote a gospel and that it was inspired. Can you? No, you will fail. As always.
I did not say that. Key word in my response is the reference to “authoritative”.
You keep trying to get me to follow Alice down the rabbit hole.
Why? Is Mary being dead starting to upset you?
I can only ASSUME something like that is happening.
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> Hello, I am Eliza.
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> Hello, I am Eliza.
* Key word in my response is the reference to “authoritative”. > Don't you ever say Hello? |
You didn’t say it, but it still has to be true. Again, otherwise show me the verse in scripture that says Matthew wrote an inspired gospel. When you fail, and you will, then what I said will be shown to be true.
You are using the same relativistic argument atheists use.
On whose authority do you base RC dogma?
LOL. Good tool for tools.
“You are using the same relativistic argument atheists use.”
No.
“On whose authority do you base RC dogma?”
Royal Cola has dogma?
Your Logic 101 lessons seem to have slipped away after all these years.
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