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From Calvinist Prosecutor to Catholic Apologist
Catholic World Report ^ | July 26, 2013 | David Paul Deavel

Posted on 07/26/2013 2:04:17 PM PDT by NYer

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To: redleghunter

“You approach from a false premise.”

Nope.

“Are the NT scriptures authoritative because church officials placed them in the canon; or were the NT Scriptures placed in the canon because they were authoritative?”

The issue would be inspiration. Matthew’s gospel is inspired. I bet we both believe that. Now, how do we know it is inspired?


521 posted on 10/18/2013 7:23:17 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Elsie

No actually that is a picture of the grilled cheese sandwich a woman claimed was the image of Mary. She made some ‘dough’ over the deal and a few news stories. Someone actually bought (even after it molded) it on Ebay for just under $30K:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6511148/


522 posted on 10/18/2013 8:20:35 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998
The issue would be inspiration. Matthew’s gospel is inspired. I bet we both believe that. Now, how do we know it is inspired?

We do agree. Matthew's gospel is inspired, thus authoritative. During the 1st Century our evidence is Matthew himself and the other apostles. Most scholars put Matthews gospel as completed and distributed around 62-65 AD. (http://www.errantskeptics.org/DatingNT-ChronologicalOrder.htm)

Then if we bridge this with what the ECFs said we see the continuity. Here is what Ireneus had to say:

Irenaeus, around the year 180 gave the first historically documented list of the four gospels and their authors:

"Matthew also published a gospel in writing among the Hebrews in their own language, while Peter & Paul were preaching the gospel and founding the church in Rome. But after their death, Mark, the disciple & interpreter of Peter, also transmitted to us in writing what Peter used to preach. And Luke, Paul's associate, also set down in a book the gospel that Paul used to preach. Later, John, the Lord's disciple --- the one who lay on his lap --- also set out the gospel while living at Ephesus in Asia Minor. (Against Heresies 3.1.1)"

523 posted on 10/18/2013 9:40:34 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998
Once again; “While Catholic doctrine IS ‘authoritative’ because the MAGISTERIUM says it’s so.”
524 posted on 10/18/2013 9:46:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
Talk to Eliza
Hello, I am Eliza.

* Again, how do you know Matthew’s gospel was written by Matthew?

> We were discussing you, not me.


Input:

525 posted on 10/18/2013 9:48:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
...it on Ebay for just under $30K:

Barnum was right!!


(Many more have 'bought' the story as well...)

526 posted on 10/18/2013 9:49:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

So you’re saying all the evidence we have that Matthew wrote a gospel and that his gospel is inspired, is based, entirely, 100%, upon Church teaching rather than upon anything whatsoever in scripture?

I agree.


527 posted on 10/18/2013 2:19:19 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Elsie

Once again, show us all the verse which mentions Matthew wrote a gospel and that it was inspired. Can you? No, you will fail. As always.


528 posted on 10/18/2013 2:20:26 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Elsie

Elsie: http://www.break.com/video/ugc/women-falling-down-280026


529 posted on 10/18/2013 2:22:43 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

I did not say that. Key word in my response is the reference to “authoritative”.


530 posted on 10/18/2013 3:35:18 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: vladimir998
Once again, show us all the verse which mentions Matthew wrote a gospel and that it was inspired

You keep trying to get me to follow Alice down the rabbit hole.

Why? Is Mary being dead starting to upset you?

I can only ASSUME something like that is happening.

531 posted on 10/18/2013 4:09:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
 
 
 
Talk to Eliza
> Hello, I am Eliza.
* I did not say that.                                                              
> Don't you ever say Hello?
 
 
 
 
 

532 posted on 10/18/2013 4:11:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
 
 
 
Talk to Eliza
> Hello, I am Eliza.
* Key word in my response is the reference to “authoritative”.           
> Don't you ever say Hello?
 
 
 
 
 

533 posted on 10/18/2013 4:13:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

Try THIS —> http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3

You’ll get almost the same results!!


534 posted on 10/18/2013 4:13:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

You didn’t say it, but it still has to be true. Again, otherwise show me the verse in scripture that says Matthew wrote an inspired gospel. When you fail, and you will, then what I said will be shown to be true.


536 posted on 10/18/2013 7:46:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

You are using the same relativistic argument atheists use.

On whose authority do you base RC dogma?


537 posted on 10/18/2013 8:08:31 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Elsie

LOL. Good tool for tools.


538 posted on 10/18/2013 8:13:12 PM PDT by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

“You are using the same relativistic argument atheists use.”

No.

“On whose authority do you base RC dogma?”

Royal Cola has dogma?


539 posted on 10/18/2013 9:20:21 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
When you fail, and you will, then what I said will be shown to be true.

Your Logic 101 lessons seem to have slipped away after all these years.

540 posted on 10/19/2013 3:41:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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