Posted on 07/26/2013 2:04:17 PM PDT by NYer
I once asked my co-worker, a Jew married to an Irish Catholic, about some strain of Judaismn that just happened to bounce against my ears, and he said, hey, I’m not up on all the American branches of Judaism, but those are the California Jews in a state of war with such-and-such Jewish school, who are in a state of war with Jewish so-and-sos.
Big difference between impeccability and infallible.
You do know what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception says? Mary was free from the stain of Adam. Ergo, she is outside of Adam and does not die because of Adam.
>> “You do know what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception says? Mary was free from the stain of Adam. Ergo, she is outside of Adam and does not die because of Adam.” <<
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I hope you know enough of Yehova’s word to know that is lower than hogwash?
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that lives for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created. (Revelation 4:9-11)
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honor, and glory, and power, be to him that sits on the throne, and to the Lamb for ever and ever. (Revelation 5:11-13)
How is this hogwash? Where does it say Jesus does not have the power to free people from dying in Adam?
>> “It says here that Paul rebuked him because Peter was afraid of eating with the Gentiles.” <<
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No, that is not what it says. It says that Peter was a hypocrite, and that his hypocrisy was harming the spiritual lives of others. And yes it is a point of doctrine, because Peter had already admitted that he knew that the gentiles were not to be treated as unclean.
You would need to start at the beginning with your Bible study.
Yehova’s word says that there is none righteous, and it also states that righteousness cannot be transferred generationally. You cannot inherit righteousness from a parent.
Sins of the father are visited to the sons, but not those of the mother. Mary’s sinful nature had no affect on her son.
Actually Gal 2:12 says that he ate with the Gentiles and then when certain men came, he did not eat with the Gentiles because he was afraid.
And a hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does another. Again the doctrine of papal infallibility is not a doctrine of papal impeccability. If you want to exclude the possibility of Popes from this, it says that one can know correct doctrine and still sin.
The Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that the stain of Adam’s sin was spared from Mary at the moment of her conception. It says that Mary, by virtue of her son’s sacrifice, was free from the stain of original sin. She still needed Jesus.
If you want to respond that Jesus died after her conception, fine, but remember, God can see the future.
Chapter and verse please.....
That as well as a retread.
Thanks. That was a powerful statement of truth from White. Christ's sheep DO hear His voice an a hireling they will NOT follow. The hireling will not give his life for the sheep.
Better than goats.
Hail Mary:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/charitoo.html
charitoo- to make graceful. Catholicism teaches that Mary’s grace is from God, not from something external to God.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/pleres.html
pleres- lacking nothing, perfect. Of course this applies to Jesus.
Blessed art though: Jael played no role in our Salvation. She played a small role in one of the wars the Jews had with their neighbors.
Holy Mary: Since Mary is unique amongst all non-Jesus humans, I don’t think you will find an example in the OT. In the NT, nothing gives an explicit contradiction of asking for Mary’s intercessions.
Mother of God: Do you deny that Mary was the Mother of God? Also Elizabeth would have spoken Hebrew. One of the Jewish names for God is Adonai. Which translates into english as Lord (amongst other translations all related). Also the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and conceived Jesus, see the Apostolic Creed, which is recited at the beginning of the Rosary.
Pray for us: The people the pagans were praying to were not in heaven (the pagans thought they were). In addition these people were by the very nature in opposition to God. Mary does not stand in opposition to God, in fact her soul magnifies/exalts the Lord. However, the Lord is still the creator of her soul.
Queen of Heaven: You assume that each passage of the Bible has only one interpretation? The Father Richards you cite appears to have been laicized, so I am unsure how he is an authority within the Church. How does that passage relate to Mary? Well after the Child (Jesus) is born, the Devil (Herod) tries to kill the child. This child is destined to rule all nations. The woman flees into the wilderness (Egypt). The devil becomes angry with the woman and then runs off to kill her other children. There are verses here which are not congruent with Matthew 2:13-18; however, Matthew revealed things that happened on Earth. Revelation revealed things that happened in Heaven.
John 2: Mary asks Jesus to do something; Jesus says “Why should I care, My hour hasn’t arrived”; Mary tells the servants to do whatever Jesus tells them; Jesus does exactly what Mary asks.
Mary’s Suffering: It is not claimed that Mary’s suffering atones for anyone’s sins. But we do have that Mary suffered at the Cross (Luke 2:33-35)
On the Cross: My apologies, John was present at the cross, the only apostle to be there. John of all the Apostles was the most faithful; he was the only apostle to return to Jesus before Jesus’s Resurrection. The most faithful took Mary as his Mother.
Title of of Co-Redemptrix: Pope BXVI in that quote of yours says the title should be abandoned because it leads to misunderstanding.
Mary in the Redemption: Mary suffered in her soul. Also this obsession that Protestantism has for Paul appears to be a pity party and a list of mewling babies whining that the Catholic Church did not award him her highest honor.
In your rejection of Sacred Tradition, you do realize the Judaism holds a belief in Tradition, right? The problems of Judaism are that the Tradition can reverse scripture and that the sacrifices were imperfect.
Catholicism does not hold that Mary has power; we hold that she has influence.
Concerning “Pope” Paul: Most of the verses are distorted out of context. Also, one would not expect a Pope to travel much at all; one would expect a Pope to sit in his seat in Rome; one would expect a missionary to move around a lot.
Devotees: Are you really citing a source outside Scripture as having power to shed light on Scripture?
Bereans: Since the Bereans are mentioned in Acts, Acts had definitely not been written at that point. Do we know what books of the NT had been written by this point?
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Not quite: ...because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
..and THAT's DOCTRINE!
Bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!
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