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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“6. There is no record that any Apostle or 1st century Christian prayed to a departed saint.”

There was no New Testament (i.e. no Christian Bible) when the Apostles and the earliest Christians walked the earth. The Gospels were written sometime between 60 A.D. and 100 A.D. Therefore the earliest Chistians couldn’t have been practicing according to the precise dictates of the Gospels, letters of Paul, etc. Were they practicing incorrectly also?

Catholics believe that souls of the faithfully departed reside in heaven. We don’t worship saints or Mary, but we ask those souls to join us in prayer. The fact that it isn’t mentioned in the Bible is a doesn’t make it invalid.


159 posted on 07/14/2013 4:45:34 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: Cousin Eddie

“The Gospels were written sometime between 60 A.D. and 100 A.D.”


This is basically a denial that the Gospels were written by the Apostles or their close associates, since most of them were dead before or at 64-65AD. Paul’s works are dated all before 60AD, and yet he quotes the Gospel of Luke. Other epistles quote each other, or are related in style or theme, all placing them as being written by the same author.

The only Gospel that could have been written after 70AD would have been John’s, since the early writers, who claimed some connection with John, mention that John took it upon himself to “finish” it with his own work.


172 posted on 07/14/2013 4:52:07 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Cousin Eddie

Luke and John written shortly after 70 A.D.

Matthew and Mark written shortly before 70 A. D. I’ve read as early as 50 A.D.


186 posted on 07/14/2013 5:00:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cousin Eddie

“There was no New Testament (i.e. no Christian Bible) when the Apostles and the earliest Christians walked the earth. The Gospels were written sometime between 60 A.D. and 100 A.D. Therefore the earliest Chistians couldn’t have been practicing according to the precise dictates of the Gospels, letters of Paul, etc. Were they practicing incorrectly also?”

Of course not. The apostles were alive and teaching and writing and their epistles and Gospels were circulating. Even their errors were being corrected - just read Corinthians...

“Catholics believe that souls of the faithfully departed reside in heaven. We don’t worship saints or Mary, but we ask those souls to join us in prayer. The fact that it isn’t mentioned in the Bible is a doesn’t make it invalid.”

Total crapshoot. See #8 on this thread.


199 posted on 07/14/2013 5:11:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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