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To: Colofornian

And we KNOW that NO other woman was accorded WIFE status to Abraham other than Sarah...and Ketureh AFTER Sarah died.


Gen 16:3
And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelled ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

To be his wife.


77 posted on 07/13/2013 3:32:46 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelled ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

If your wife had an illegal alien as a "housekeeper"/slave...and she told the alien woman that as long as she did what she was told, she could remain in this country....If your wife "gave" you this alien for a night, or a week, or a month...for sexual purposes...and said beforehand this alien was your "second wife..."

(a) Your wife would have no such LEGAL authority to make the woman your "wife";
(b) A slave has no rights...by definition...and could not even say "no" to such an arrangement

A woman in that time & culture would have had ZILCHO authority to make another woman a "wife..."

Do you think Sarah referenced Hagar as a "wife" post-pregnancy? Nope: “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.” (Genesis 21:10)

And, why, when we read the REST of Genesis 16...doesn't the Angel of the Lord reference Hagar in her relationship to Abram? Why does He define her according to her servant/slave relationship to Sarai?

Why does the Angel of the Lord say: “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.” IF, indeed, Hagar was a recognized "wife" of Abram, why didn't this Angel say: "Go back to your husband and submit to him"???

And why does Abram do that EXACT same thing? (He STILL...in 16:6 references her as "YOUR SLAVE")

And why does Hagar herself do that? She ran away NOT from her "husband" Abram...but her "mistress" Sarah...["mistress" being the counterpart of the word "master"]

And why does the apostle Paul do that re: Hagar in Galatians 4?

Tell us Ravenwolf...why does Paul CONSTANTLY reference Hagar as a "slave woman"...Gal. 4:22...again in Gal. 4:23...again in Gal. 4:24...again in Gal. 4:25...again in Gal. 4:30...

Didn't Hagar ever "graduate" from such a lowly status?

Nope...not in the Angel of the Lord's eyes; not in Abraham's eyes; not in Moses' eyes (Gen. 25); not in Paul's eyes; not in Hagar herself's eyes; and NOT, post-pregnancy, in Sarah's eyes, either.

79 posted on 07/13/2013 3:59:52 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: ravenwolf
To be his wife.

What?

And Sari had the POWER to run her off?

88 posted on 07/13/2013 7:28:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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