How Should Same-Sex Marriage Change the Church's Witness?

Christian Post ^ | 06/27/2013 | Dr. Russell D. Moore

[Secret Agent Man]

if the witnessing is biblical, not at all.

[ModelBreaker]

I have no idea what he is saying as it relates to the real world. When a homosexual pair comes to a church picnic and starts holding hands, what does the Church do? When a homosexual member demands that the pastor marry him, what does the Church do?

[Yosemitest]

When the laws of man violate the laws of God, follow the laws of God.

This is what we get when we FAIL to OBEY God.
For it is written:

“ For whosoever shall commit ANY of these abominations,
even the SOULS that commit them
SHALL BE CUT OFF from among their people. ”

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.

It was given by our Heavenly Father to test us
to see ... if we will OBEY our Heavenly Father,
and abide by His commandments, statues, and ordinances.

Someone once asked

"Why are they [homosexuals] all so angry?"

The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE".

rep·ro·bate \ˈre-prə-ˌbāt\ a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.


Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.




2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

But will we OBEY our Heavenly Father?

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,
that his justice cannot sleep forever."

[Yosemitest]

Tell them to leave.
We don't want you; we don't need you; we will have NOTHING to do with you!
Know you not the words of God?
Get out now!

[Natufian]

Homosexuality is a sin explicitly condemned in the Bible. Divorce is sin explicitly condemned by Jesus. Churches and the faithful need to be cohrent in their witness if they want to be more effective in the cultural battle

[Yosemitest]

Churches OFFEND God, by tolerating homosexuals, period.
OBEY God!

[Buckeye McFrog]

You are now going to Hell with a Government-stamped ticket?

[Sans-Culotte]

The author seems to be parroting the liberal/gay mantra that "Christians see homosexuality as a sin while ignoring their own sin". That has never been the case. The point of contention has always been that the gays and their cohorts insist that homosexuality is not a sin. If homosexuality is not a sin, fornication is not a sin. If these aren't sins, nothing is a sin. If nothing is a sin, God and Jesus are irrelevant.

[Natufian]

God is offended by divorce.

[mikedfox]

I would argue that most Christians don’t really see divorce as a sin, either. They see it as a bad thing, except when its happening to them, in which case its necessary.

The biggest destroyer of marriage in our culture isn’t the homosexual agenda, its no fault divorce, and a church full of christians unwilling to take a stand on it.

But we also have to remember that, while Jesus never hesitated to call a sin a sin, he also never rejected the sinners.

[Yosemitest]

Not the same, and you know it!

[Natufian]

If you think Jesus is ok with divorce, you need to read your Bible more.

[ThomasMore]

But what has changed for us, for our churches, ...In one sense, nothing...

Sorry, but I disagree. Many Christian churches changed what marriage was when they perceived it and MADE it a contract. It was never a contract. It was a covenant

Jesus said, "...from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and join to his wife; 8And they two shall be one flesh: so then they are no more two, but one flesh."

When marriage began to be a contract, we began to have problems.

[Mister Da]

Here is an idea for the Church to trump the perverts.

Stop doing marriages & start doing “Christian unions between a man & a woman”, & call it that.

Stop sanctioning marriage, which has become meaningless. Let marriage be a solely government institution, bereft of an religious or spiritual meaning, much like a fishing license.

Create a new institution within the church joining together one man & one woman, until death do them part - no divorce possible, in a spiritual union recognized by the church, & limited to church members in good standing only.

If the couple wants to have a civil union too for tax purposes, that’s fine, but it has no relation to the Christian Union in the eyes of the Church & is meaningless to the Church.

Leave the perverts with their temporary, meaningless, secular unions they so deserve.

Change a few words & the Church can take back the meaning & purpose of marriage, while completely excluding the opinion of the bureaucrats.

[Yosemitest]

Remember:

" The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king,
Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done ?
she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree,
and there hath played the harlot.
And I said after she had done all these things,
Turn thou unto me.
But she returned not.
And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery
I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce;
yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not,
but went and played the harlot also. "

[CatherineofAragon]

"God is offended by divorce."

Yes, He is. But the comparison doesn't hold water.

The Bible calls homosexuality detestable, shameful, vile, degrading, and an abomination, and we know what penalty Jewish law prescribed for sodomites. It was called a capital offense.

Divorce was permitted in certain circumstances. While still hating divorce, God has never permitted homosexuality under any circumstances.

[Yosemitest]

Know you not that Jesus is also the LORD of the Old Testament?

[WilliamRobert]

I it okay to get divorced if you find out your husband is homosexual?

[MEGoody]

I’m saddened by the decision of the Supreme Court but not surprised. Fallen people are going to think and behave like fallen people.