- Name one.
According to the logic presented on an early post on this very thread;
if that same was to be applied here, there would be close to 50-50 chance that any [Roman] Catholic, including those here on this forum(!); voted for Democrats in 2008, with greater than 40% chance they did so again in 2012. Personally, I myself would not apply that sort or (ill) logic so casually.
But if one were to more honestly seek to "name" those now complaining, who also likely voted for Soetero, first should be clarified who precisely was being referred to in reply #17 which was itself was addressed to the opening comment of this thread #1, which at that point can be reasonably enough seen to have been commenting upon the article and it's contents, not comments or later "complaint" here on FR;
- #17 "And yet many of the people doing the complaining doubtless pull the Democrat lever at every election."
Many of...
It was noted from the very beginning, in the title of the article itself, that complaints were being made concerning the image. That was before anyone here commented upon the image themselves. Leaving one and all here with forced assumption that ZC was referring to persons outside of this forum when he spoke of complainers (likely to be Roman Catholic for they were offended by the crude use of something they 'venerate'?) voting Democrat.
Since the Santa Fe area, as is NM generally, quite likely to be more Hispanic in it's Catholic population than nationwide U.S. on average, the numbers would then tilt even further towards probability of 'complainers' voting Democrat. Reliable enough data exists indicating that not only Hispanics in general are more likely to vote Democrat, but just about as likely to do so even if they self-identify as Catholic (thus highly probable to be protective of Guadalupe imagery). Add in those who though not "Catholic" per se, but have pro-Mexican, pro- unbridled immigration from Mexico sympathies too (the Guadalupe image symbolizing much Mehico) that would press possibility that complainers likely voted for Soetero and other 'Rat Party candidates even further, dragging into the mix some of white "liberals" who have infested Sante Fe for years now.
Since the greater part of the above be true, or at least close in the neighborhood of objective truth; it is unreasonable to take ZC's statement primarily any way other than (ZC can correct me if I'm wrong) his statement was intended to refer to persons in the Santa Fe area whom took offense; rendering the asking him or any other to "name" those persons, be itself unreasonable.
Examining the image, among other unsettling offensiveness, we see gay cowboy-like faggotry represented. Also a young gal with a backpack & bicycle helmet, holding a beer mug. College student perhaps? Those are most certainly high-percentile 'Rat Party demographic.
The blending of the imagery, crude as it is, also underscores the political split-personality psychosis of Democrats, specifically too as they may be found in Santa Fe NM region. The faggots generally either hate or disrespect Christianity, and as part of that make fun of Marion imagery too, if opportunity presents itself. On the other hand, the not-so faggoty Mexicans and Mexican Americans in general, including those who are Roman Catholics, are the very people most inclined to have strongest attachment to Virgin of Guadalupe imagery, but when voting for Democrats (which they much do) vote for things they are also otherwise against; such as is represented by the faggoty cowboy peeking out from behind the 'Madonna'.
The same whom would complain...whether [Roman] Catholic or not, along with those Santa Fe area residents who may think the image humorous, likely also support and take part in such as the burning of Zozobra as pictured here, from last year which is culmination of Fiestas de Santa Fe which each year's festivities include carrying this Idol icon
Or does this little lady instead--->
do a little talking, in quiet whispers and moans, "vote Mexican Democrat", because they care about "us"..?
There is some amount of liberation theology support for Aztlan ideology, though lacking direct linkage by way of admittedly acknowledged underpinnings, for it tosses aside "Christian" terminology to go right for the throat of any and all perceived opposition to Aztlan/ReConquista movements, even if other portions of such theology is absorbed from a distance. The white Santa Fe liberal types have absorbed some of it too, in similar humanist ideology fashion; that corporations and business owe people a job (as opposed to owing wages for work performed when it is performed) and that 'Government' should provide...and the government should be coerced into coercing any and all into accepting disordered gay 'unions' to be called "marriage", etc.
The ReConquista's haven't quite successfully hi-jacked the Guadalupe image as adroitly as Cesar Chavez did. Perhaps they will never, directly. But they can and do ideologically overlap with the Chavistas in Venezuela, and tap into the huge sympathies towards our own Chavez, with those people still carrying their own little copies of the Guadalupe [pregnant] Virgin, seeing in her both themselves, and her as their "mother" and protector. The "Virgin of Guadalupe" has also been declared by the RCC to be many things (or at least have many names) including her specifically being "Patroness of the Americas". She travels with them as they migrate, taking over and changing the nation. Those "peoples" are the base from which the ReConquistas spring, the community which gives birth to them, succors and nourishes them.
What perhaps could be jarringly difficult, shocking when realized...is that similar image, the gussied-up wooden doll in the above picture, was herself an instrument of Conquest, both employed and prayed to during a Spanish king's [delegated to others] conquest and re-conquest of 'New Mexico' native peoples...and "their" lands, much as the Guadalupe image was employed in "Christianizing" the peoples native to what is now Mexico. For both the images, but perhaps more directly, historically, for Conquistadora, for those surviving of Pueblo bloodline that be today [Roman] Catholic; She is "their mother" their "protector" and was historically assistant to those whom would subjugate them, all at once. The Guadalupe image is similar in it's own history, with the subjugation aspect now subsumed in the culture that is now extant, having wiped out all but faint traces of the culture and peoples that were supplanted. All of which leaves the present-day wanna-be ReConquista all but entirely both historically and intellectually bankrupt. It's more than their own hostility towards "religion" that distances the Madonnas from them.
Still, the Madonna images march on, carried aloft, prayed to daily, sought out for succor and assistance as if they were representatives of Goddess.
I do suppose it might be further sacrilegious and [again] shocking to some, if I were to suggest that in light of all the difficulties and cultural cross-currents highlighted above...it wouldn't be such a wonder if those sort of things wouldn't be enough to drive even a Madonna to drink. Besides...with all those troubles, she deserves a vacation. No?
humble...I had to add you to the ping list once I realized I wrote that last paragraph with you in mind. Just trying to help sort out and make sense of all of this junk. If you have an extra beer handy, drink one for me when chance presents itself.
