Posted on 06/22/2013 7:04:38 AM PDT by kindred
Let me beg to differ that one does not get into heaven by stuffing the “right doctrine” about Christ in their brain, either. That is a fleshly error. One gets into heaven by accepting the saving spirit of a Person. Jesus Christ. Even if the one doing the accepting is so far scramble minded that (to use a wild example) he thinks that this Jesus was incarnated as a lemon creme pie. Christ will clear all that up for him. To truly believe less is to demean the power of the actual Person, Jesus Christ.
I agree with that statement...My view is that the church will be Raptured out before the Tribulation starts...Yet there will be at least one, maybe two resurrections of people before the Tribulation is over...
Even where the Bible is concerned, Jewish practice was to not put it all on one huge scroll but to split it up into smaller scrolls.
Which does not really change my point.
See The Mechanic Muse, From Scroll to Screen
...The codex also came with a fringe benefit: It created a very different reading experience. With a codex, for the first time, you could jump to any point in a text instantly, nonlinearly. You could flip back and forth between two pages and even study them both at once. You could cross-check passages and compare them and bookmark them. You could skim if you were bored, and jump back to reread your favorite parts. It was the paper equivalent of random-access memory, and it must have been almost supernaturally empowering. With a scroll you could only trudge through texts the long way, linearly. (Some ancients found temporary fixes for this bug — Suetonius apparently suggested that Julius Caesar created a proto-notebook by stacking sheets of papyrus one on top of another.)
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And the author goes on to maintain that the move to e-readers is, in some respects, a return to some of the limitations of the scroll.
I take it that common e-readers (this is where HTRN stays low tech) don’t have page flip modes, or at least very easy to use ones. Readers like Adobe Reader do give you some degree of page selection and (if awkward) parallel page viewing. But the easiest action is flip to next or flip to previous.
I am wondering if the estimable King Solomon had invented a scheme like this, with his encyclopedia which is now lost to us. He’d have a continual need to insert stuff in it and emend small parts, and a classic scroll would not be up to the task.
Adam’s knowledge, I have every reason to believe, had full spiritual dimensions. His wife and he bowed to the serpent’s spirit. That would be exceeding dangerous to us today, until a deep knowledge of the Lord had been regained.
Thank you for the view into the official Roman Catholic understanding. All believing Christians will be caught up in this rapture event however it plays out. It will be very much denomination-agnostic.
Well no; it's my opinion as well...And it appears to be the opinion of a few hundred million other folks...
It’s a pithier way of saying, “What is true has always been true.” If it took 1800 years before someone came up with an idea (like Darby) then Christians have been believing a falsehood from the time of those who knew Jesus best until that new idea, or that new idea is wrong.
Sometimes what has been true isn’t always recognized.
The Jews missed Jesus and He walked right in their midst, fulfilling prophecy.
It may just be a matter of understanding.
400 AD, Jerome in the Latin vulgate (in the Catholic Bible) used the word rapimur which means "rapture", or "caught up" to describe the Rapture. Jerome is actually the man who first coined the term – Rapture.
Cynical Bear...that’s truly beautiful....Perfection! Makes the heart beat for Him....
Wheat and tares are believers and unbelievers @ Judgement. Read Revelation....Goats and sheep...as well as others.
The word is used in the Vulgate in one place—1 Thessalonians 4:17, to translate the Greek parousia. The problem is that dispensationalism doesn’t have a monopoly on the Rapture.
Amillennialism, historic premillenialism and postmillennialism all recognize the term to mean the final assumption of Christians into heaven at the end of time.
Dispensationalism didn’t exist for another 1400 years after Jerome.
Thanks Iscool...appreciated.
You are being a little 'narrow' there...I don't believe a person will attain salvation if he believe that Jesus is a pie...Pies don't die on the cross for my sins...
And the doctrine of faith + works will not get you into heaven...And if you think those determinations come from the flesh, you haven't spent enough time in the bible...The wrong doctrines will definitely put one on the path to hell...
Rom_6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
1Ti_4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Too complicated...complexity overwhelms knowledge....God did not make it hard to understand...but He certainly said there were some things that were beyond our understanding.
Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.(I Thess. 4:13-18)
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (I Cor. 15:50-52)
I appears from Scripture that we SHALL receive our glorified, resurrection bodies at the Rapture and it will be both those who are alive at Christ's coming as well as the souls of those who have already died (coming WITH Christ) to meet their resurrection bodies at that same time.
Thanks for the verses. I stand corrected.
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